Carriers v Spurters

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Martina weighs in.

Brandon is seeking a carrier but isn't happy that many people have criticised his use of the word. So he doubles down and calls objectors stupid and uneducated.

twitter.com/martina/status/1150553152204234752?s=12

Link to tweet that started it.

twitter.com/BrandonAmbro/status/1149727620038369281?s=20

Martina is just awesome. Carrier? That guy is vile and shouldn’t be allowed to treat a woman like a fucking object to service his desires. Gross.

What he wants is a handmaid

Disgusting man. Totally dehumanising. How could he possible raise a girl child without damaging her. (and obviously he would damage a boy too.)

I love the responses!

The responses are great

That thread is not going well for the OP

Martina is fantastic

Every new conversation about surrogacy just makes it clearer how harmful to women it is

I hope and potential surrogates see his vile attitude and say no. However it is likely a desperate woman will need the money.

I think he needs more than a "carrier" though as his spurt on its own is useless. Maybe any potential egg donors will be appalled by his attitude and not want their child raised by that pathetic excuse of a man.

This guy is a professional troll

t.co/lWl9z7JdUz

""Brandon Ambrosino, a writer who has been criticized for peddling misinformation about LGBT people and acting as an apologist for anti-gay discrimination. Klein promised that Ambrosino's work would "receive a lot of editing and a lot of guidance," iterating Vox's commitment to properly covering LGBT issues.""

""People felt Brandon had made his name writing sloppy pieces that were empathetic towards homophobes but relentlessly critical of the gay community.They believe we were sending a signal about Vox's approach to LGBT issues: Contrarian clickbait at the expense of the struggle and discrimination that LGBT men and women face every day."

I suggest the Ergo 360; if he means an adult human female he can spin 360.

This seems to be common parlance in the surrogacy world- the verb ‘to carry’ is being used widely now and the advent of donated eggs or embryos being used to start a pregnancy has led to term ‘gestational carrier’ (to distinguish from surrogacy using the woman’s own egg) and then from there we seem to get to reductive dehumanising language like ‘carrier’. ‘Carry’ seems to be used as a neutral verb that can be used not to imply any femaleness also- I think I have read transmen who have had babies using it to describe their pregnancy.

This thread has more discussion that may be relevant - there is a major legal consultation underway in the UK in relation to surrogacy that could change the law:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3606313-The-Rumplestiltskin-Law?pg=1&order=

Campervan69
I don't think it's fair to call him a troll, professional or otherwise just because he doesn't spout the approved line on homosexuality.

BBC - Future - ‘I am gay – but I wasn’t born this way’
www.bbc.com/future/story/20160627-i-am-gay-but-i-wasnt-born-this-way
What bothers me is he's got a PhD in ethics from a Catholic university and can't see how offensive his attitude is. Over to you Caroline.

I saw this this morning and hoped I'd imagined it. But it's real.

This person is doubling down.

Please nobody ever facilitate him raising a child. Or going near a child. His ethics are atrocious. I gather learning about ethics doesn't do anything to make someone act in an ethical way.

Don't point him towards a baby carrier - otherwise known as a sling/wrap etc. it will encourage his belief in his right to babies.

I'm glad that there's a slight shift in the perception of surrogacy - until recently it was overwhelmingly seen as a good thing, no questions asked but it's a topic which is evidently problematic when you really DO think about it. Examining motivations and thinking about consequences gets forgotten in the rush to "be nice" but once a few people do start to examine motivations and think about consequences guess what, it's actually not always "nice".

I'm seeing a link between the dehumanising language used about women by supporters of prostitution, surrogacy organisations and tra.

And porn.

It’s a great thread. The devaluing of maternity in all its physical and psychological and emotional aspects is IMO an example of misogyny. Of course I don’t mean literal hatred of women in the overt, obvious, abusive sense. But the idea that women can be paid for biological and sexual services to men, services that only they can provide, by dint of their femaleness, is certainly reflective of a type of hatred, dismissiveness and unquestioning entitlement to use women.

twitter.com/MatthewGreenf11/status/1150826082687442944?s=19

This is a great thread about the abuses of commercial surrogacy

I just saw a tweet that said "so can we call you the wanker then?" Spot on.

Great thread thanks Campervan69

I have mumsnet to thank for changing my mind on surrogacy. Some of the thread contributors in the past have very nearly scared me away from reading, they're so aggressive passionate about the subject, but seeing that twitter thread about india had finally peaked me.

CoffeeandChocolate Once you’re aware of it, you just keep seeing how much worse it is as you read more. A year ago, I thought altruistic may have been ok in certain circumstances but since then I’ve realised that this ignores the rights of the new born baby. They are a person, they are not a present to be given away. They are not a thing to be gifted or sold. They are a little person who just wants to be with their mother and has a human right to her.
I’m glad the thread tipped you over. We need everyone to write back to the current consultation and let the government know that we don’t want their awful new law.

@Coffeeandchocolate9
You may find the discussions about the consultation regarding new surrogacy laws interesting.

Here's a link

Building families through surrogacy: A new Law - Consultation
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3649812-building-families-through-surrogacy-a-new-law-consultation

Very keen on this response from Gender Free Gert:

Friends know we’re trying to find a carrier

I've read very good things about the Citroen Berlingo
twitter.com/gert/status/1150037784276586496?s=21