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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone know about the No Outsiders in Our Schools book/ pack?

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tediousnamechange · 05/10/2018 20:10

www.equalitiesprimary.com/home.html
It's for teaching the equality act in schools.

It appears to do so through already published books, so for example, Elmer (we are all different.) My son's school is using it as a part of an LEA initiative in diversity, mainly to combat extremism and racism.

However the blurb doesn't include sex as a protected characteristic (just gender) and does mention transgender being covered.

There are additional resources / lessons on the author's website, as it seems some if the books are out of print? and I did not like the outline of these. Both books are questionable according to Amazon in that they appear to teach gender stereotypes and that you can change sex.

Ks1
equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks1.html

Ks2/3
equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks2-3-10000.html

I'm sure the material for everything else is fantastic, I like the idea of using stories, it's just I'd just like to know more about how the book/ pack explain gender and sex and what they're teaching about this. Other resources I know of are clearer about sex and gender being different.

It's probably sloppy research or naivety (let's face it if you read the Guardian and follow the bbc you probably produce material like this) but if anyone has had experience of it I'd love to know more before I contact the author.

I've name changed, bit worried about posting here but also rather taken aback.

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tediousnamechange · 05/10/2018 20:58

Bump before bed :)

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Thingybob · 05/10/2018 21:29

Sorry have no experience but the suggested materials are viewable online.

The book KS1

From KS2 and .

My opinion is both books are confusing and I don't think 'I am Leo' is suitable for 7-11 year olds (see explanation of boy and girl brain from 3.30)

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 07:57

Thanks thingy. Some nice bits in the teddy book but the key message that "I've always felt like a girl inside" and moving the bow to its head are misleading and stereotyping. Why couldn't Thomas the teddy put the bow in his hair? I like the messages of acceptance but not the message of conforming.

Need to look at the next one.

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MacaroonMama · 06/10/2018 08:18

Hi there,
Don’t know anything about these, sorry, but if it says gender not sex re: the EA, it is just plain wrong, and you could certainly let your school know.
Would you feel able to meet with the teacher who has responsible for SRE and raise your concerns? Staff may well not be on board with the content. You don’t even have to mention trans issues, just say what you have said above. Offer a link to the Transgender Trend pack, maybe?
Not helpful I know, but saw link from other thread and didn’t want not to answer.

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 08:20

Thanks, this is an LEA wide project apparently. First I've heard about it though. And mainly concerned about racism, homophobia diversity etc to be fair so I may have to take it higher.

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tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 08:21

I think I'll ask them if they're following the whole pack and if I can see it.

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Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 08:48

Hi. You can preview read a large section. At the beehinning it outlines the protected characteristics, including sex. But in the prise, it talks about not discriminating regardless of sexual orientation, gender identity etc and it leaves out sex. The book seems in large part to be about being homosexual. The section I read, a general introduction, did not mention sexism, misogyny, sexist bullying or sex discrimination. Most of it was about homophobia.

silentcrow · 06/10/2018 08:50

Transgender Trend have been looking at some of these books, iirc - worth dropping them an email.

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 08:50

It would be worth asking at what stage they will be teaching about sex discrimination.
If you preview it, have a look at the chapter on 'understanding that our bodies are different' because there might be something in there about sex.

I mean it was written by a bloke, so.

SuburbanRhonda · 06/10/2018 08:52

I’ve just contacted the PSHE Association to ask them what resources they recommend for schools on this issue.

They sent me links to a document from the Proud Trust and a “Trans inclusion toolkit”, the like of which I’ve read many times before.

The toolkit claims that “gender” and “gender identity” are protected characteristics under the Equality Act and does not mention sex as a protected characteristic at all. This is by no means the only flaw in either document and they are being recommended to schools with no critical analysis whatsoever.

I’ve replied in no uncertain terms and have linked them to the Trangendertrend schools resource, asking for their views on it.

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 08:57

Thanks Charlie, where have you found that?

I picked up from his bio that he's mainly concerned with homophobia actually.

I think a few updates needed; a trans gender trend pack, watching the BBC's no more boys and girls, double checking for all those very key points...

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SuburbanRhonda · 06/10/2018 09:01

In one of the documents I was sent, the authors wrote that a child who objects to being in an intimate setting with a child of the opposite sex because of their religious beliefs should be reminded of British Values Angry

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 09:01

Oops cross post with many people!

Thanks for all comments, and thanks silent crow, I'll do that.

I'm struggling a bit to get through things like this with lots of clarity due to very small non sleeping baby and general being a mum but I didn't realise it was right on my doorstep till now.

I'm a teacher too so pretty good at critiquing lesson plans!

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tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 09:01

In one of the documents I was sent, the authors wrote that a child who objects to being in an intimate setting with a child of the opposite sex because of their religious beliefs should be reminded of British Values

What the actual fuck???!!!

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tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 09:03

I found this thread / info which seems much better.

What's "Jigsaw PHSE" like on trans issues? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3362670-Whats-Jigsaw-PHSE-like-on-trans-issues

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SuburbanRhonda · 06/10/2018 09:10

The Equality Act 2010 is a great starting point because it references trans identity as a protected characteristic alongside all other protected characteristics. None are more important than the other, so in school we should respect one another’s race, religion, gender identity, age, disabilities, sexual orientation and gender and this is British law. In fact, our support for the Equality Act is one way in which to celebrate British Values.

From the Warwickshire Trans toolkit.

Charliethefeminist · 06/10/2018 09:13

Tedious: scroll down to the red block 'Resources'. The book title there is a link. Follow the link to the Routledge website, scroll down again and in the top right corner you are offered Google preview.

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 09:18

Brilliant thanks.

Transgender trend emailed.

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tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 09:24

Suburban I think there's often sloppy naive interchangeability or replacement of sex with gender - however it really matters now.

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littlecabbage · 06/10/2018 09:30

watching the BBC's no more boys and girls

Is this still available to watch somewhere? I wanted to, but it disappeared before I got chance to.

SuburbanRhonda · 06/10/2018 09:32

I agree that it matters. We now have documents aimed at schools that say children should be told everyone has a gender identity.

SuburbanRhonda · 06/10/2018 09:33

I remember thinking that was a terrible title for a documentary.

And as it turned out, so prescient.

tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 10:10

It was on again recently... I'll have a look

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tediousnamechange · 06/10/2018 10:11

Dammit no.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09202lp

I follow them both on twitter though, the teacher and the researcher.

Iirc the teacher came on here at the time.

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SuburbanRhonda · 06/10/2018 10:15

Both episodes are on YouTube:

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