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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Blog Post by Prof Alex Sharpe

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SusanBunch · 11/09/2018 18:29

Alex is a professor of law at Keele and a trans woman. This is Alex's response to the concerns raised by feminists:

inherentlyhuman.wordpress.com/2018/09/11/foxes-in-the-henhouse-putting-the-trans-women-prison-debate-in-perspective/

I don't want to go through it point by point because I have had a long day and I am already feeling a headache coming on. However, some general observations:

-Seems to suggest that the figures cited of numbers of trans prisoners are false. Did they not come from a freedom of information request from the BBC? Why the hell would they be inaccurate? Is Sharpe suggesting the prison service gave inaccurate information? Suggests that lots of them might be trans men, which skews the stats. The 27 trans people convicted of rape are definitely trans women, because rape requires a penis. Also, given the very small total number of women in prison compared to men in prison, I would venture that the number of trans men in prison would be absolutely minute (as in fewer than 10 or so). I also highly doubt any of them are in there for sex offences.

-Sly little dig about how it's ironic that GC feminists call themselves feminists at all. What, because we don't want to adopt a philosophy that would place the needs and rights of the rapist above the victim? So dismissive of women's concerns.

-Uses the argument that this is such a small problem as to be almost irrelevant.The thing with prison is that you only need one high-risk person in there to create a risk to numerous other people. Karen White assaulted four women in New Hall in a very short space of time. Had he been in there longer, the number would no doubt be much higher. If the 27 convicted rapists were all placed in different prisons, the number of women at direct risk would be substantial. Let me be clear: ONE incident of this is one too many. There should be no guidance whatsoever that allows this to happen.

  • Suggests that this was simply due to a lack of proper risk assessment and there is nothing wrong with the basic policy of placing trans women in female jails. No- the point is that we do not have mixed sex prisons due to the risk this would place female prisoners at (plus a whole host of other reasons). Trans women like Karen White are fully intact males. Yes, they claim to feel female, but they have male genitalia, male bodies etc. It is not feasible to do a risk assessment in every case. In any event, a male prisoner who has not been convicted of a sex offence can still be high risk to female prisoners. We simply cannot have a system where we say it is okay to let males onto the female estate if they feel female. It's illogical and utterly nonsensical. If we did, we should abolish sex-segregation in prisons full stop.
  • Suggests that this is not a problem because guards abusing women is a worse problem. Ridiculous argument imo. Yes, it is disgusting how many women are exploited in prison. So you want to add to that by introducing even more danger? That makes sense...
  • The 'women do it too' argument, citing a case of a teacher who had a lesbian relationship with a pupil. While it is always wrong to have a sexual relationship with someone in your trust, the case Sharpe has cited is absolutely nowhere near the same as the horrific violence that Karen White perpetrated against his victims. Emily Fox is highly unlikely to be a risk to any woman in prison just because she is a lesbian who had a relationship with a girl aged 15. It's actually disgusting to place them in the same category- it has really made me angry and upset reading that.

From that article, I can see that Alex utterly dismisses the concerns of feminists, questions our status as feminists (because we can apparently only be feminists if we centre the interests of natal males), and engages in misogynistic comparisons that utterly downplay the seriousness of what happened in New Hall Prison. I hope to God this ends soon. I keep wondering whether I am living in a parallel universe and I can't understand why some female academics are applauding this. Maybe fear. I don't know.

It makes me appreciate the brave and amazing feminist scholars who do dare to stand up to Alex Sharpe and co even more. Flowers Flowers Flowers

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VickyEadie · 11/09/2018 18:53

I do love a 'Yehbut other people do bad things so SHUT UP!' Vicky Pollard school of argument employed here once again.

This person would presumably argue that it's pointless trying to make your home security better against burglary because someone might mug you in the street.

FloralBunting · 11/09/2018 18:56

Oh god, I haven't the energy right now, but I can I just laugh at the credibility of someone who actually complains that Janice Turner's use of the phrase 'Fox in the henhouse' was a form of misgendering and actually corrects it to 'Vixen in the henhouse'. This is the level of sillysodness we have reached now. Every day, we level down.

SusanBunch · 11/09/2018 19:06

Hmmmm

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VickyEadie · 11/09/2018 19:08

Interesting post, SusanBunch.

They can call themselves "Professor" and make out they're all professional and academic - but some people can't stop themselves showing their true, abusive and rather childish colours, can they?

OldCrone · 11/09/2018 19:19

Turner refers to a ‘BBC reality check’ that found that there are currently 125 trans prisoners, 60 of whom apparently have sex offence convictions (48%) (she supplies no evidence for these claims in order that the figures can be verified).

How did this person get to be a professor, if they can't even do basic research? The evidence for this can be found using google - you don't even need to go to those scary journals with long words and proper references. So here you are, Alex, I googled 'BBC reality check trans prisoners' for you, and here it is, with links and everything.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

SusanBunch · 11/09/2018 19:23

Jesus. It does make me wonder. Either Alex is monumentally thick or this is a ploy to just discredit women who dare try to protect their own interests.

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TimeLady · 11/09/2018 19:35

Looking forward to Janice's response…….Wink

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SusanBunch · 11/09/2018 19:41

Ha! Maybe the answer is in fact monumentally thick rather than sinister.... Someone on twitter just pulled Alex up on the claim that 70 of 4000 is 0.0175%

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TimeLady · 12/09/2018 07:35

Transvixens aren't vixens.

nauticant · 12/09/2018 08:06

How did this person get to be a professor, if they can't even do basic research?

Mostly likely they can. They probably know the facts but because they don't suit this person's purposes they discard them.

The issue here is that there is this academic who is willing to spread disinformation in support of an ideology. This is harmful to society.

TimeLady · 12/09/2018 08:30

Let's not forget it's also written from a transwoman's perspective, so I don't think we should be surprised.

TerfsUp · 12/09/2018 08:40

do love a 'Yehbut other people do bad things so SHUT UP!'

'Whatabouttery' is always used when the person cannot defend their point of view.

Reminds me of a photograph I once saw of a Siamese cat sitting in front of a pile of shredded loo roll. The caption was something like "Oh, yeah? Well, your kid is over there drawing on the wall."

TerfsUp · 12/09/2018 08:41

Either Alex is monumentally thick or this is a ploy to just discredit women who dare try to protect their own interests.

People can be both monumentally thick and try to discredit people who do not believe in their views. Those of us who are able to think critically will see the stupidity and diversion for what it is. Handmaidens and TRAs will lap it up.

SusanBunch · 12/09/2018 08:53

You’re right TerfsUp and they already are lapping it up. I am giving them the benefit of doubt that they just haven’t read enough about the current TRA movement. But it turns my stomach that women calling themselves feminists are applauding a piece where the ‘misgendering’ of a RAPIST and child abuser is thought more important than his victims. I guess they all had cis privilege, so our sympathies shouldn’t lie with them anyway.

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TerfsUp · 12/09/2018 09:00

I agree, Susan. I am dismayed by people who are more concerned with being right-on and woke than in being informed. I prefer not to engage with them but to spend my time with people who can put forward a reasoned argument.

GenderApostate · 12/09/2018 12:09

WPATH and Amnesty.

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GenderApostate · 12/09/2018 12:14

The Garden Court chambers website is VERY informative

BabySharkDoododoo · 12/09/2018 15:19

Bollocks. Lady ones if you fancy.

This person gives not a fuck about women. Like many transactivist types.

SusanBunch · 12/09/2018 16:42

Has also written books and articles saying that sexual autonomy has its limits and although this might sound like rape-apologism, it’s okay because trans and gender-queer people have it worse. Fucking hell.

To those female academics supporting Sharpe- be under no illusions that the favour would be returned if the boot were on the other foot. Maybe you have been lucky enough not to have your sexual autonomy violated in the past. You are lucky. For women that have, statements like that make our blood run cold.

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/09/2018 16:44

FUCK, what?
Do you have a reference/context for that quote? It is absolutely horrendous.

FloralBunting · 12/09/2018 16:48

Where the hell is that quote from, Susan? That's one of the very worst things couched in academic language that I have ever read.

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