Should I buy my daughter a PAYG blackberry for 12th birthday(37 Posts)
She has an ipod touch already and is always on it. She is unkeen at home to do other things like read. If we buy it, we will need to inforce straight wifi free time but if you want to discuss it, she goes all moody. Should she have one so her peers do.
It depends. If you are starting to let them go out for a couple of hours on their own then I would let them have one but not for every days use. This could also be good to get them used to having one all of the time.
Definitely don't. Bbm messaging nearly cost my daughter her GCSEs. She ended up with hundreds of contacts and round the clock texts. She was utterly bereft when we finally confiscated it after we failed to get her up for school time and again. However, two years on, she says she would never have it again, that there is a dreadful pressure on teens to grow their bbm network and she finally felt controlled by it.
Oh and she got loads of those nasty chain mail things which teens are tempted to believe in.
XP got DD a BB for no reason - no birthday or xmas - and it had internet access that I had no idea how to regulate.
BBM messaging means strangers can contact her, and if she accepts, is able to see stuff you may not want your DD seeing.
This is what happened with me anyway, and now the phone is permanently confiscated.
The BBM thing lost me really, I had no idea what it was, but friend of hers were recommending she add other people because of the amount of PINGS they give (or something)
They're just phones, people- not the work of the devil!!!!
Why would you have to have a no phone at the table rule? Why would they even think of it?
And if they are going to get bullied or bully, they can do that perfectly well without a phone.
The only concern I would have is the "sanctuary" thing- no escape if things do go wrong. But I'm sure you will have noticed before things got tht far anyway.
Got DS a cheap smartphone from cashconverters instead of an ipod so he can use it as a phone when he starts secondary school. have a rule of not keeping it in his bedroom overnight but he only wants it for music at the moment anyway
Another 'no' vote here.. 10 y o daughter has ultra-basic handset as prep for secondary school communicating with us /texting friends but when she's out and about I want her to be aware of her surroundings / crossing the rd safely (urban setting) and when at home, she can use the family pc...
Plus we dont' have spare budget for technology competitiveness and am determined not to be swayed by the 'they-may-feel-left-out' peer / social pressure argument.. - though having siad that she's only 10 adn I'll probably look back on this in a couple of years time and wince....
Back in October did buy daughter a blackberry. have drawn up rules, no gadgets at table. hand over at 10, hour free gadget time for homework, but its a struggle getting these rules to stand fast. mentioned at school during a lesson. cant schools confisicate. its a battle and I am going to win
Dd's having an iPhone for her birthday this year. I've done research, looked into the options and also researched the bullying/risk aspect. However an iPhone would nt be tht unusual here, ESP amongst younger secondary school children. We have various reasons for an iPhone too over other brands as we se app,e at home too, everything is nn same format and syncs.
We've spoken to dd about safety, etc from each aspect.
Dd has wifi access anyway do not an issue from tht pov.
Oh and I dispute "it's better to get a contract".
It never is! There are lots of brilliant Sim only monthly deals without tie INS.
Caps don't necessarily work (especially if you accidentally use data or are abroad ).you are tied in paying for the duration-2 yrs now usually.there was a recent post here of a last who wanted to end her sons contract as he was being badly behaved etc, not only would he not hand the phone over but she has only the option of paying off the whole 2 yrs ....
I'd say no.door all the reasons above. It's not I don't trust my kids, I do totally. I don't however trust other kids not to use the technology and the desire to"fit in" not to bully, include in bad stuff, exclude fromother stuff etc
Mine are now 19/17/13 the 19 yr old he's my old iPhone as her first net capable phone at 18. The other 2 have pretty basic phones and an unlimited text giffgaff package.
I have talked about it with ds (having seen a three deal for 2 smartphones on a 24/ month contract that could be capped) and reapply he said don't bother, at the moment he has what he needs and would rather I spent the extra money on an add on for sky to download, so we are triallingthat over Easter.
Ds isn't a loaner-he has mates, he isn't picked on for his phone or excluded-plenty if his mates have iPhones/s3 to o. Dd2 ditto.she even has a mate who doesn't have a mobile.
DD got when when she was 11 as a present for doing really well in an exam. She wanted one so we used the promise of one to get her to revise!
Its not really that flash a phone, cost £80. I know there's cheaper phones but likewise there's much flasher phones. DD's is on PAYG, she hasn't lost it or damaged it and has had it over a year now. She doesn't use BBM, I don't think any of her friends have a Blackberry.
We went through similar to you a few months ago. My daughter ended up with my husband's basic mobile phone which shes uses to phone me if she's gone to a friends after school and the occasionally text. We put £10 credit on in September and she still has credit, but like I say it's very basic. We have promised her a better one later this year, but will do it on a capped contract (I know Tescos do them). None of her friends actually have a Blackberry, touch screens appear popular and that's what she wants. She has her ipod and as we're on BT anytime she can phone her friends anytime she wants. I guess she makes about 4 phone calls a week totalling about 45 mins.
Personally, I think it's best to get something on contract, but if you prefer PAYG tell her you'll pay so much a month and an extra she runs up has to come out of her pocket money.
Just a thought on the cost side - Tesco are as far as I know the only company to have a capped tariff, if getting carried away with costs/running a huge bill concerns you. You can get an OK ish smartphone for £7.50/month with loads of texts/reasonable data - and if they reach the cap on any one feature (eg use too much data) it is stopped until the next billing period unless you choose to top up like PAYG. Phones are not top end - so less "desirable". Thnking of getting one for DD2's birthday
Sometimes I think I'm the only parent who trusts her DDs and only vaguely glances at their lap top or ipod screens and doesn't check their phones.
I'm afraid if my two want to get up to mischief they are far too bright not to press delete on their phones and they know DH can spy on the broadband if he chooses to.
Yes, lack of sanctuary at home is a very good point goldplated. As is the internet access!
On the other hand the being excluded fom 'group chat' in the evening may have knock on effects next day at school because you werent part of what was being discussed the night before? - like in the old days if you hadnt watched top of the pops! Dc seems unaware of this but from what i gather there is a lot of the group chat, forwarding status updates etc, and i wonder if it may affect being part of the group at school. Im slightly going over the ground on my thread - because its still worrying me!
Mind you, status updates - is that another way of feeling left out because youre not with x and y at the shopping centre? Aagh...i genuinely think it was much easier when we were that age and just hogged the landline!
Problems with smartphones for tweens:-
*internet access so private (much rather its on a communal pc in a public room in the house)
*one upmanship of smartphone/branding versus a basic payg model (the thought that kids bully other kids over which phone they have - if smartphones werent seen as acceptable from a VERY young age then this would drastically reduce)
*the idea that kids feel safer if they have a phone on them - which I think adds a false sense of security. "I can go here and do this because I have my phone" when infact a kid being abducted, or worse, is not even going to be able to use their phone
*the conflict in class. you send your dc to school with their phone off in the bottom of their bag - does it actually stay there?
*the lack of escapism. If your dc is being bullied, BBM, facebook and twitter mean that bullying can continue in their own home - the place that should be their sanctuary.
*the expense. Smartphones are expensive, and more than likely the most expensive item your dc will regularly have with them (theft/damage risks)
DD (12) has a blackberry, mainly for BBM. It lives downstairs at night and she knows we check it regularly. She's on a 10.50 rolling contract and anything over that comes out of her pocket money.
Goldplated what problems have you come across - i am still thinking about it so would be v interested to know. Not taking them to bed sounds very reasonable indeed! Though i gather some people do....
I understand the safety aspect of dcs carrying phones, though I dont think it justifies them owning one, however the Smartphones are just creating more problems than they solve.
Id possibly allow one at 13+ but insist (1) I or dh can check it whenever we ask, no grumping, and (2) it is not to be used at the dinner table or taken to bed.
The being left out thing worries me as well re my dc yr 7, as i learn that lots of the year have them and do bbm as group chats - whereas dc doesnt even really text at all. But on the other hand i can see the cons as well.
Hi i started a thread in chat about a similar thing and some interesting and helpful points were made, which you may also find useful - ive overlapped you a bit! You can find it if you type bbm in search i would think. Good luck!
I'd be very careful. We confiscated our 13 year old's phone over some issue and found she was being texted explicitly up to 70 times a night by an older school boy. Much safer without.
LFCisTarkaDahl I had no idea you couldn't put parental controls on a Blackberry - that's really worrying. My DD has a cheap Orange BB style phone, not an actual Blackberry, with Wifi at home only, and I check what she's been viewing (mostly music videos). I'm going to see whether I can get parental controls on it, and on DS's iPod
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