Rotherham council takes away foster children because parents were UKIP members

(41 Posts)
longfingernails Sat 24-Nov-12 10:21:48
nepkoztarsasag Sun 25-Nov-12 01:41:40

Imagine if, right across the country, all foster carers who voted UKIP were prevented from fostering.

There'd be nearly three children who needed to find another placement.

Imagine if the same thing was done with foster carers who were Tory supporters.

That would be another four!

Cozy9 Sun 25-Nov-12 09:22:40

What? Do you think all foster carers vote Labour?

FunBagFreddie Tue 27-Nov-12 00:06:47

I get pissed off at the assumption that libertarians are racist. They aren't, they just want their national sovereignty back.

Squitten Tue 27-Nov-12 12:56:05

I would have a lot more sympathy for UKIP's outrage if they didn't send candidates to stand in my local by-election who say things like this:

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Exclusive-UKIP-candidate-Croydon-North-says-gay/story-17426910-detail/story.html

tiggytape Tue 27-Nov-12 12:59:33

Squitten - The London Chair of UKIP is openly gay and has made it very clear they they do not oppose gay adoption and Ukip, as a party, is not against gay adoptions. It is just that one man's personal view.

There are people in every political party who believe that kind of thing and every political party has to spend time distancing itself from the views of some of its members that it does not agree with.

Squitten Tue 27-Nov-12 13:09:21

I'd suggest that if they have to distance themselves from their own Parliamentary candidate, they really haven't got a bloody clue what they are doing.

tiggytape Tue 27-Nov-12 13:27:17

All parties have to do it. You always get some MP or candidate who comes out with the sort of stuff that means their poor party spokesperson has to hurriedly shut them up and try to put things right.

A Labour MP caused his party trouble last year when he said that Britain's ambassador to Israel may have divided loyalties because he was Jewish!
The Newport West MP (Paul Flynn) said Matthew Gould, the Foreign Office's representative should be replaced with "someone with roots in the UK [who] can't be accused of having Jewish loyalty."
The Labour Chief Whip had to call him in and Ed Miliband distanced himself saying the comments were totally unacceptable.
All parties have people who show them up and come out with the kind of views that leave the rest of the party groaning with shame!

This UKIP candidate isn't even particularly wedded to UKIP it seems - he was a Labour supporter and then a member of the Conservatives and the Lib Dems for a year each as well. But you do get them in all parties.

Squitten Tue 27-Nov-12 13:44:48

I really do see what you're saying, in theory.

My problem is this: as a voter who they are trying to persuade to vote for them, I have to look at what they present now that they are given the opportunity to explain it to me in their own terms. If UKIP knowingly chooses a candidate who a) holds some rather objectionable views that are utterly contrary to the party line and b) isn't particularly loyal to UKIP at all, what am I to learn from that? It's not exactly extolling their finest virtues is it, if that's the best they can offer. I can't vote for them based on their ideals. I have to vote based on the person who will be representing me and voting on these kinds of key issues in Parliament - and this guy will not be apparently towing the party line so what agenda is he following exactly? Who knows!

And both his reputation and UKIPs is being utterly trashed now. Their European agenda is utterly vanished beneath a homophobia row. And they picked him!

It makes their complaining about adoption issues sound hollow when their own man is denouncing the rights of others to adopt under a nice big picture of their logo.

tiggytape Tue 27-Nov-12 14:50:44

You're not wrong. Lots of parties pick crap candidates and they normally do it in throw-away elections - the area elections that they cannot win so there's no particular incentive to stand a decent candidate.

It is said in Rotherham that you could stick a red rosette on a pig and people would vote for it. That's probably not quite the case but it is a traditionally Labour and left wing area so there's no point in any other party spending a lot of time and money on that area.

Again it is a tactic all parties employ.
In Tory areas, the Labour party dredge up some wet-behind-the-ears candidate and send their decent candidates to areas where they might actually have a shot at winning. And the same is true in safe Labour areas - the Tories don;t bother much with who stands or spending much time or money on campaigning.

tiggytape Tue 27-Nov-12 14:55:08

He's actually standing in Croydon North but the same applies - it is overwhelmingly a Labour area and the right wing candidates are seen as wasted there.

Cozy9 Wed 28-Nov-12 19:55:16

Rotherham isn't exactly left-wing, just benefit-dependent.

edam Wed 28-Nov-12 21:54:56

Cozy, that's a nasty swipe. Rotherham was one of the towns that lost its heavy industries - coal and steel - in the 1980s, when the then government decided to wipe out heavy industry and focus on the City of London instead. And we know how well the second half of that sentence went...

ironman Sun 02-Dec-12 12:25:44

Out of all of this the people who really suffer are the 3 children who were moved from the foster parents care. It is very difficult to find a family who will foster all 3 siblings together. In any case Labour voters,Tory voters, and Liberal voters, can all be against mass immigration or more states joining the EU and more immigration, so why don't they ban all of these prospective foster parents from caring for children? They can't because of the Human Rights Act, and the article which gives the right of political expression.
IMO social workers have far too much power, and it needs to be stopped. If Im right the social work panels are normally not made up of lay people (perhaps one or two) and they make the decisions in these cases of where children should be placed. Of course personal and political judgements will all come into play.
In many familes politics are spoken about,(including mine) but it has not mentally damaged my mixed race husband, my children or my mother-in-law who is from the far East. No I tell a lie, I became so damaged I joined UKIP! grin

YNK Sun 02-Dec-12 12:37:02

Exemplary carers? Encouraging children to call them mum and dad after a few months? Surely this is wrong, particularly as they have parents who want them back.
I believe there is an ongoing investigation regarding alleged abuse by the birthparents, so encouraging the children to reject them may jeopardise the lines of enquiry.

exexpat Sun 02-Dec-12 12:51:15

Haven't you read the latest updates on the UKIP/Rotherham/fostering story? Not surprisingly, it turns out that it was a rather more complicated situation than the "UKIP membership = no fostering" headlines made out.

Issues include the possibility that the birth parents might have been able to find their children at that particular foster home, and that there had been a previous court case about children from that family being fostered by people who didn't speak their mother tongue. It was also only ever intended as a short-term placement.

edam Sun 02-Dec-12 18:19:25

Flannel flannel flannel. Joyce Thacker head of children's services, went on TV to state clearly the issue was UKIP support by the foster carers. The birth parents may well want the children back - that doesn't affect the suitability of these foster carers v. any others. SS have clearly been unable to find other foster parents that speak the mother tongue - given we know the children have been split up. Clearly that has a huge effect on their ability to speak their mother tongue - given one of the kids is no longer with his siblings.

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