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I must admit - we lied with how long we had been trying.

I think the key thing is. Try naturally and do what feels right for you at the time. Then if you find yourself needing Ivf/ICSI make sure you ask for more of the boxes to be ticked early on.

I personally really wouldn't bother with IUI with low morphology especially if time is not on your side.

Everyone's journey is different though, but i have learnt alot by reading about people's experiences and knowing what to ask for.

Good luck ladies and do shout if you ever want to ask more questions :-)

Thanks lucky. I've heard that iui isn't worth it with low morphology.

Have you ever been told why morphology can be low? What factors affect it?

Hi again, apologies I posted yesterday - but I obviously didn't press send.
Each of us need to decide upon our own journey and what's right for us at that time. I certainly have found that I have learnt alot of what to ask by reading other people's stories.

For example there is another strand commenting on the success of IUI at the movement - so that might be worth a read.

Happy to answer any further questions based on our experience at any point. :-)

Lucky - have you ever been given a reason why morphology is low?

Hi both
I seemed to have posted a response three times now but none have shown up.
Like I've said - I'm a great believer in trying naturally - so don't be put off at all! I just wanted you share our experienced of pot morphology so that should you go on to ICSI you can perhaps steer your journey a little to save heart ache and a whole heap of money.
Good luck both :-)

Can't remember much but dh also did a SA and the morphology was rubbish. He had loads and they did swim but were weird! We did conceive after a year but it was in our first cycle of clomid. He was also on big doses of vitamins, good food etc. that was over 5 years ago. We now have a DS 4.5 and a dd 2.

Dr did send us for a lap and dye but we didn't need it in the end.

Opps now all three responses posted!! Crazy site!

Yes we were old by the consultant that this is heat damage - which is a genetically pre programmed condition, nothing that by husband could do to change it. Then when they surgically recovered the sperm, they could see the effects of the damage - much more so than when normally selected pre ICSI. They therefore had to collect closest to the vascular entry - as this has the least possible damage and muh more chance of normal sperm! Much of the sperm damage is caused when he aperm moves from the testicules through to ejaculate that can take a few weeks and hence damage more apparent. The IMSI technique is an additional method of checking the sperm through a mega strength microscope so that they have a much better hope Of selecting normal sperm. You can have this without the surgical recovery - we wished we'd been offered this on our last ICSI round. We decided to not go the IMSI route alone however on our next round because if that didn't work we would only hen go to surgical collection, hence trying to save ourself further disappointment and funds - we've decided to tick every box this time!
Hope this helps - don't want to overload you at such early stages :-)

Can't remember the stats but when we'd been trying over a year dh's as came back saying amount and motility fine but lower than average morphology. Six months later another test at fertility showed all fine and specialist said it was probably because he had a cold or some other virus we didn't even know about. After 2.5 years of trying it happened naturally the month before starting iui.

Happily - has your oh had his next set of results?

Hi winkle, no he has the appointment next week so not sure if we will get them before Xmas or not. I feel abit depressed today about the ttc malarky! I've been doing so well lately as well! How are you?

We had a wobble earlier this month where oh didn't want to dtd as he felt there was no point. But we got our mojo back yesterday which was cd13 so we're on track for a Xmas BFP (fingers crossed).

It's so hard isn't it? we are ok cd 27 so I'm a few days il know if I have a bfp in time for Xmas, would be the best pressie ever! I think I'm finding it harder at the moment as I feel like we are on a time limit, we have three more months after this and then we start treatment. I'm promised myself I'd chill out but the last few days I've felt really sad how annoying!!!

Hope you manage to get lots of dtd in over the next few days!!!

I feel so down when I think of another Xmas without children

I think that's maybe what it is I was sure I'd at least be pregnant by now there's still time yet! Positive thinking!!!

Totally devestated today at the royal baby announcement

Even worse my co manager announced she was pregnant today :-( sit next to her in the office every day just the two of us!!!
Enough of feeling sorry for myself I'm waking up more positive tommorow!

I have to dtd tonight <sigh>

Hi happily are you still around?

Wanted to give you an update. We had our referral yesterday and the consultant said my oh has to stop drinking completely for 3 months to see if his results improved. If nothing improves then its a genetic thing and we have to go straight for IVF. I'm also booked in for the hsg to see if it helps.

How are you getting on?

Hi!

That's good news that you have something to aim for? How does your dh feel about bit drinking for 3 months? Hsg wasn't too bad, a little uncomfortable at the time but over pretty quickly, I figured its all worth it! How do you feel now?

Nothing to report here, I only have 2 more cycles until our appointment. He said if I wasn't pregnant by this appointment we could start iui straight away. This is obviously good because it feels like I'm finally doing something but success rates for iui are so poor. But you never know! Did I tell you dh second SA was so so much better than the first, really good infact so that's good!

My husband is fine about not drinking. We have tried everything else and we both want this so badly so we're willing to do anything. I've said I'll support him by not doing it too.

Glad hsg when well, mines in a couple of months.

Is iui free? I did read OH's SA was better so that's great! My consultant said morphology is linked to smoking and drinking and to stop these both for the best chance. He said if after 3 months OH's results haven't improved its probably a genetic factor and we'll go straight to ivf

I mean my hsg is in a couple of weeks.

Yes it's three rounds of iui and then we move on to Ivf. He seemed pretty sure that we should try iui first but il discuss it with him further when we have our appointment! Did he say the poor morphology was a genetic factor?

That's good, I agree we would do anything anyone asked us to for a baby at the moment!!! Looks like we could both possibly starting treatment at the same time! Makes me so scared and a little excited-but I don't want to get my hopes up!

Docs said if hub cuts out alcohol and the numbers don't change then it may be a genetic factor.

winkle found this post on SA and just wanted to say that DH and I have also been told that our first option would be clomid then iui and then ivf.

We have agreed to try naturally until we can take no more (possibly mid 2013) and then start clomid.

I hope it works out for you without the ivf but its good to get some answers. Fx for the hsg.

Thx red.

happily - I had my HSG and all came back clear. Have you had one done?