Good news - peak oil theory seems to be untrue

(191 Posts)
claig Sat 08-Dec-12 13:32:15

'The so-called ‘peak oil’ theory, which suggests that within the foreseeable future the world will run out of fossil fuels — coal, oil and gas — has never looked more absurd.'

'The green lobby, of course, is terrified that, despite the promotion of expensive and heavily subsidised wind power at the heart of the Energy Bill — a subsidy paid to a considerable extent by poor householders through their bills to wealthy landowners with wind turbines — the emergence of large supplies of cheap gas will make this policy unsustainable.
Hence the scare stories, lapped up by the BBC in particular, about shale oil and gas extraction causing earthquakes and pollution of the water supply.

Needless to say, there is no substance whatever in these scares.'


What will the think tanks and elite lobbies do now in order to stop the growth and progress of ordinary people?

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2244822/Thought-running-fossil-fuels-New-technology-means-Britain-U-S-tap-undreamed-reserves-gas-oil.html

ttosca Sat 08-Dec-12 13:40:33

Bad news! Man made climate change isn't untrue.

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 13:51:02

ttosca, the elite's peak oil narrative has collapsed, it is only a matter of time until the elite's man-made climate change story will fall too. They'll doubtless pull another arrow from their quiver and try to sell the people down the river.

'Il popolo vincera'. There is enough food to feed the planet and enough fossil fuels to heat and power the planet, there is no truth in the story that we only have '50 days to save the planet'.

mercibucket Sat 08-Dec-12 13:51:11

I'm glad this is from a reputable site such as the daily mail, otherwise I might think it was a load of old nonsense

mercibucket Sat 08-Dec-12 13:51:11

I'm glad this is from a reputable site such as the daily mail, otherwise I might think it was a load of old nonsense

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 13:55:36

'I'm glad this is from a reputable site such as the daily mail, otherwise I might think it was a load of old nonsense'

Exactly, mercibucket, that's precisely why I chose the Daily Mail and not a site such as the Guardian, for example.

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 14:00:14

The super rich are sitting on trillions and trillions of dollars. Just a fraction of that money could be used to feed every person on the planet. They could develop irrigation and infrastructure and technology to help all the people of the world.

But they don't want to do that. They want to keep the riches to themselves. So they spread the story that it is the human population who are depleting their resources and who are harming the planet by growth, progress and industrialisation and by breathing out carbon dioxide and by eating meat from cows whose methane, they say, is harming the "planet".

mercibucket Sat 08-Dec-12 16:21:44

I agree with you on that part, claig

mercibucket Sat 08-Dec-12 16:21:44

I agree with you on that part, claig

ttosca Sat 08-Dec-12 16:24:47

You're confused and incoherent again, claig.

MiniTheMinx Sat 08-Dec-12 17:36:56

It is written by Nigel Lawson, enough said.

MariaMandarin Sat 08-Dec-12 17:44:21

I don't buy your theory claig. It doesn't serve the rich to curb population growth or industrialisation.

What does serve the rich though is to put out the idea that it is individual workers and consumers who are to blame for the destruction of the environment, rather than big business serving its own interests.

Himalaya Sat 08-Dec-12 17:51:20

Lolz at the idea that Nigel Lawson represents anything but the elite.

MiniTheMinx Sat 08-Dec-12 17:53:37

Lawson founded the Global Warming Policy Foundation, a think tank that relies on donations from wealthy individuals.

Claig, you seem to be ignorant to the fact that these elites you talk about are not all one and the same, they are individuals. They have different agendas and interests. So whilst one capitalist or corporation will be funding research that concludes that we have global warming and we must use extortion to raise revenue using the green rhetoric. Another corporation or individual will be funding Lawson and chums to trash the research because green technologies or taxes to clean up pollution will have cost implications for their business and so it goes on.

MiniTheMinx Sat 08-Dec-12 18:02:31

I have just has a look Global Warming Policy Foundation website.

"The GWPF does not have an official or shared view about the science of global warming – although we are of course aware that this issue is not yet settled"

and yet if you go to their book shop on this site, all of the books are from climate change deniers and sceptics. So it is clear they are highly biased and doing the work of the wealthy stake holders on whose money they rely.

Well it would seem that although the issue is not yet settled, their agenda is.

www.thegwpf.org/gwpf-bookshop/

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 18:08:35

Maria, there is great injustice in the world and a concentration of super wealth in the hands of a very few and suffering of billions and austerity for billions.

The super rich elite know that as the population increases, the injustice and the poverty and the wealth gap will only increase. They know that that the poor will demand water and food and resources and education and wealth, and tehy know that they themselves will have to relinquish a lot of their wealth in order to assuage the masses.

They could help the poor rise and help them grow in prosperity or they could try to curb and control the power of the people. Helping the poor to rise will create a bigger bourgeoisie with ever higher demands and expectations. I don't think that they want that, because it will eventually lead to a lessening of their wealth. They prefer the people to be held back under austerity with no growth or low growth, with expensive fuel and heat, and high costs of travel and movement. They want gas bills, electricty bills and water bills to rise and rise to keep the people down. They want deindustrialisation, closure of factories and manufacturing and mining and steel production. They want the people to have a service economy in a deindustrialised low-growth world. Then, when jobs are scarce and pay little, they can institute workfare schemes, and they can even put forward the idea that workers' rights should be reduced, that the minimum wage should be lowered, and that workers should be able to be sacked more easily.

The rich elite are pursuing a policy of neo-feudalism.

Big businesses will not suffer, they never do. It is only people who will suffer. The mega corporations may offer to pay a bit more tax out of the millions they turn over, but it will be the public who pay hundreds of pounds extra per year for the carbon taxes and who pay double-digit increases per year in fuel bills and rail travel bills.

The corporations will prosper and the people will endure austerity and low growth in the neo-feudal elitist world of teh mega rich and their trust funds, charitable foundations, think tanks and lobby groups.

lljkk Sat 08-Dec-12 18:12:52

the price of energy for the world's poor will still be excessive. Nothing is going to change that sad.

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 18:17:45

'Lolz at the idea that Nigel Lawson represents anything but the elite.'

Nigel Lawson is a great man standing up for the people and for truth. On this issue he is an outsider, an outlier. The BBC don't invite him on often to speak about these topics, because this issue does not fit into the BBC's master's script. The elite and their servants do not want people like Nigel Lawson to get too much of a hearing, because they know that the public will believe Nigel and not them and their puppets and servants.

Himalaya Sat 08-Dec-12 18:23:13

But luckily we have Paul Dacre and Nigel Lawson handing out the tinfoil hats standing up selflessly for the interests of the word's poor hmm

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 18:25:18

Yes, Himalaya, you are right uckily we have the Daily Mail!

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 18:30:08

'the price of energy for the world's poor will still be excessive'

lljkk, not necessarily. As Lawson so rightly says

''The green lobby, of course, is terrified that, despite the promotion of expensive and heavily subsidised wind power .... the emergence of large supplies of cheap gas will make this policy unsustainable'

Energy prices have already fallen in the USA. There will be competitive pricing of energy and the rich elite will not be able to explain to the public why they don't offer the same to the public in other countries. All of their think tanks and spin doctors and charitable trusts will have a hard time explaining to the public why they are not lowering energy prices. All the talk of tidal waves and monsoons and '50 days to save the planet' won't wash with the public.

MiniTheMinx Sat 08-Dec-12 18:30:52

Claig, if the media and politicians are all puppets of the uber wealthy elite, there must be some sort of organisation to this. Surely these elites must bring people together from the banking sector, business, energy companies, media and governments??????There must be shared thinking between these individuals rather than competition. There is only one example I can think of and Mr Lawson has attended twice, so does his agenda meet with their approval?

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 18:32:08

The BBC kept the avile thing quiet until after he died, but they won't be able to keep the lid on the elite's energy scams quiet while energy prices are falling in the United States. People like Nigel Lawson and Paul Dacre will make sure of that!

OhYouMerryLittleKitten Sat 08-Dec-12 18:32:30

grin

Funny thread!

claig Sat 08-Dec-12 18:32:37

Savile not avile

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