Hamas and Israel on the brink of war

(104 Posts)
AnyaKnowIt Germany Wed 14-Nov-12 21:39:31
noddyholder Wed 14-Nov-12 23:31:10

This has lit the touch paper for something very scary.

lisalisa Wed 14-Nov-12 23:32:42

A bomb fell just behind our house in southern Israel

noddyholder Thu 15-Nov-12 07:26:52

So sorry Lisa you must be so scared

Morloth Thu 15-Nov-12 08:47:39

Hamas and Israel are always on the brink of war.

What is that saying? It won't end until they love their children more than they hate each other.

It is bloody stupid.

AnyaKnowIt Germany Thu 15-Nov-12 11:40:53

bloody hell lisa, hope you are ok sad

Extrospektiv Thu 15-Nov-12 12:21:40

As I am pro-life, yes pro-all life, not just foetuses, I extend my sympathy and prayers smile

LarkinSky Thu 15-Nov-12 13:17:46

This is Israel sticking two fingers up to the new Obama administration. Gaze now, Iran in the Spring. LTurkey may be pushed into Syria shortly.

(Cameron holding emergency meeting on that today). Obama's gov has very little influence on Israel's actions now, but must have known this was coming. Bigger fish to fry at home negotiating the fiscal cliff anyway. Israel timed it well.
Middle East outlook for next few months is very bleak.

LarkinSky Thu 15-Nov-12 13:20:06

Sorry for phone typos. It's all very worrying and moreso when no world power or body can intervene.

AnyaKnowIt Germany Thu 15-Nov-12 19:14:08

Israel are moving troops towards the boarder

LarkinSky Why would Obama have influence? I don't know much of the history but am off to google.

donnie Thu 15-Nov-12 20:41:03

Well Israel has elections approaching so a renewed attack on the Palestinians will generate a nice little surge of support for Likud.

donnie Thu 15-Nov-12 20:45:07

Oh yes we all look forward to Bibi's invasion of Iran. Yes that will be a real step forward.

CoteDAzur Thu 15-Nov-12 20:50:27

"Why would Obama have influence?"

She might be referring to the enormous financial and political support US gives Israel, without which Israel wouldn't survive for very long (and most definitely wouldn't be sticking two fingers at the international community and keep expanding settlements into Palestinian territory).

That probably gives the US some influence over Israel.

PoppyAmex Portugal Thu 15-Nov-12 20:58:22

"keep expanding settlements into Palestinian territory"

Of course Hamas bear absolutely no responsibility in the current events.

Lisa thinking of you - hope you're ok.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Thu 15-Nov-12 20:59:59

This is terrible for everyone.

I hope you're okay Lisa.

CoteDAzur Thu 15-Nov-12 21:06:39

Of course neither side is lily-white but what I have said is fact - US should have some leverage with Israel because without its political & military support (worth $ 3bn per year), Israel wouldn't last long nor would it also be able to give the proverbial finger to the international community re steadily increasing settlements into Palestinian territory.

Do you have a problem with any of the above?

donnie Thu 15-Nov-12 21:16:31

Poppy: Hamas DO have a case to answer re : launching rockets.
Hamas DOES NOT have a case to answet re: sustained and continuous theft of Palestinian land / farms/businesses by Israelis.
If anyone would like to clearly illustrate just how Hamas has forced Israel to steal Palestinian land since 1967 that would prove most illuminating.

AnyaKnowIt Germany Thu 15-Nov-12 21:33:19

There are more reports of explosions sad

tiggersreturn Thu 15-Nov-12 21:34:54

And the EU should have a say in what Hamas do given their contribution to the Palestinian Authority of €500million last year alone of actual cash. During a supposed economic crisis when the euro is going under....

eeas.europa.eu/occupied_palestinian_territory/ec_assistance/eu_aid_to_palest_2011_en.pdf

That's our taxes...

difficultpickle Thu 15-Nov-12 21:37:53

BBC said 15 Palestinians dead and 3 Israelis.

It is a shame that Tony Blair is a middle east envoy and does nothing and it is a shame that Obama has not followed up his first election visit with doing anything substantial re peace negotiations. Unfortunately I agree with others who think that Israel has launched attacks for political/election gains.

PoppyAmex Portugal Thu 15-Nov-12 21:50:18

"What I've said is fact..."
"Israel wouldn't last long...."
"Do you have a problem with any if the above"?

Actually I do - it's a lazy, reductive statement and it's not a "fact", it's your (misinformed) opinion.

I promised myself not to discuss this subject in forums so i will apologise for bring passive aggressive and leaving it at this. My fault entirely for posting on this thread to begin with.

openerofjars Thu 15-Nov-12 21:51:27

Extrospektiv, irrelevant. Nobody cares what you think. It's like joining this discussion and saying "My thoughts go out to members of all brass bands caught up in this horrible conflict, because I play the tuba". Using any topic to promote your pro-life views is bad form.

Iteotwawki Thu 15-Nov-12 21:55:10

This is the first move in US/Israel vs Syria/Iran.

Not a great time for the world as a whole in the next few months/years.

difficultpickle Thu 15-Nov-12 21:56:53

Iteotwawki I hope you are wrong but I fear with Obama's view on foreign policy you may be right sad

MrsGrieves Thu 15-Nov-12 22:04:53

I can't see that peace negotiations are really going to help in this situation tbh, although hope to be wrong. From what I have read and understand it's kind of an intractable problem, neither side is going to suddenly concede land/defeat, both believe they are 100% right.

I do hope that it doesn't escalate further tbh, ever since watching Threads I'm shit scared of any wars/proxy wars in Iran blush.

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