to think that people have unrealistic expectations from Nannies?

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I'm looking for my next Nanny position and have been scouring the net for private ads (am registered with many agencies too) but can't seem to find any ads for families that seem to have realistic expectations. Of course, there is a recession going on and I have put that down for the difficulty getting another role but...

Here's an example:

We are looking for someone who can work around 45 hours plus two evenings babysitting per week, in sole charge of our 4 year old twins and 6 year old. Term time hours are Tuesday-Friday (7.15-6.30) with the boys at nursery every morning and our daughter at school. During school holidays it will be Wednesday-Friday all day from 7.15-6.30. Although we do ask for some flexibility about the days. Babysitting may be any evening. The working pattern may change as needed, subject to negotiation. The pay is £150 per week plus board and lodging.

It seems that board and lodging are a fair exchange for pay.

Am I being unreasonable to think that £350-400 npw for 12 hours days + board and lodging is a fair expectation as an experienced, qualified nanny? Or have I got my head in the clouds?

(expecting to be flamed grin but be kind, its been a long day!)

Crashdoll - I have worked with some exceptionally wealthy families - its finding the wealthy families who don't think they own you as staff grin Good experiences yes but I lived the 2devil wears prada" for a while too!

Yes I'm lucky isabeller in that I'm not trying to fund critical 24 hour care iyswim. If we were I would have no leeway at all.

crashdoll Fri 22-Mar-13 20:53:34

My cousin has nannied for some extremely wealthy families. She had a fantastic experience, went around the world and loved every minute. She got a travelling experience and a job she loved - all in one!

Isabeller Fri 22-Mar-13 20:34:27

Hmmm my post seems to have vanished. Basically saying DP's Mum's direct payment is limited to what council think they would pay for a care home and we have to stretch that to 24/7 care at home. Wish we could pay what the job is worth saintly smile

girliefriend Fri 22-Mar-13 20:19:10

Sleeton - I wonder which vip family that is for?

Isabeller - I think I'm meant to pay less (in terms of how they calculate hours) but I think my workers deserve more so I pay more - but it does mean I have fewer hours. Mind you I use my dp's for all sorts so it's never very clear how many hours I have iyswim.

cervantes55 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:05:59

Oops! That advert is appalling. We are hunting at the moment and have had over 80 responses to our advert (offering the London reported average for full time live out) so I fear great nannies could be forced to take something like that so those awful people will get their way.

cervantes55 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:03:02

That

montmartre Fri 22-Mar-13 19:57:33

Goodness... it's the complete opposite of the original listing!

Isabeller Fri 22-Mar-13 19:53:24

Thanks for your reply to my question about care work OP. I'm sorry if I'm being a bit thick but are you saying you think around £300 pw live in for dementia care might be ok? Having one person living in long term would enable us to create a backbone of continuity and stability.

I am very interested in what saintly is saying. (DP Mum's care is also direct payment funded but the rate is much less than £10 ph because of an upper limit). Using your (OP) situation as an example ie the hours and work you are doing for current wage and your interest in studying: In this fantasy care job you'd have a slower paced day with some similar activites ie simple cooking, laundry. Because of the slower pace it is possible to read/study/mumsnet at times while 'on duty' and it might be possible to work round a day in college or doing a few hours SN for someone like saintly.

My intention would be to adjust the job around the person as far as possible. I agree totally with saintly that exact experience isn't essential. For me the most important quality is kindness.

just to be clear this definitely isn't an advert or a head hunt grin

sleeton Fri 22-Mar-13 00:25:14

Just saw this www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/live-in-nanny--vip-family--london/1012968826 on gumtree. 3 yo girl (also 5 mo boy, but he has his own nanny) London, live-in, £420 net per week, on-duty accommodation AND separate off-duty accommodation (to give nanny private time privacy), fully staffed house ..... oooohhh, I'm in the wrong job!!!

post Thu 21-Mar-13 18:57:05

I've spoken to them now, thanks smile

No never used them myself I'm afraid, but I know they're the people who everyone always recommends

post Thu 21-Mar-13 14:24:38

Saintly, have you used snap/ know people who have? Our 14 year old is pretty much out of school now, and can be challenging, and also great and hilarious and fun. It would be amazing to find someone who would actively like to work with someone like him, rather than looking nervous and talking to his sister smile

VikingLady Thu 21-Mar-13 14:15:55

Someone once offered me a job £10 an hour to rest my feet on their face

I'd do that!

Op you just apply really. I'm in my second sn job, my first I got through here, it was live in for a nice family but it just didn't work. I got my second through childcare.co.uk, they just wanted somebody to treat their child as an individual. I love it, but it's part time and my other job is with an nt toddler which I also love doing, so not sure if I'd want to take on another sn job as it's really hard mentally. Whereas the riddler takes it out of new physically! I love the combo, spurns really will for me.

My charge does son rise and I go into his room with him once a week when it's not being used for storage! I have his two siblings after school (1pm finish) too smile

ceeveebee Thu 21-Mar-13 13:43:50

Wouldn't be surprised if this ad was posted by the mumsnetter a couple of weeks ago who said she wanted (and I quote) a "Filipino" to run her house, be a nanny and get paid peanuts

Theseventh when I employ people I'm more interested in willingness etc than lots of experience. Some of the best people I've had came to me with no experience. If you had time around your main job you could look for odd- hours work with playschemes/respite centres etc. Each area usually has a SN newsletter and you could see whether you could put a little bit in there saying you are looking for PA (personal assistant) work (that's the official name fore type that I offer - paid by direct payments). Or even start with babysitting.

And I'd recommend this www.amazon.co.uk/Makaton-Nursery-Rhymes-DVD/dp/B000IHZ4FG as a good way of starting to learn Makaton (often useful)

Once you're working with one or two people you name will spread grin - I always struggle to find people!

Kiriwawa Thu 21-Mar-13 13:29:28

That is absolutely dreadful sad

And what's the point of having a room in central London when you have to work 45 hours a week (plus 2 nights babysitting)

Pigsmummy - the job also includes housekeeping (I only copied the main bit of the ad) and what about when the children are ill? Plus renting a room could be £500+ a month - but living in your own rented room is very different to living in your workplace.

Pigsmummy Thu 21-Mar-13 13:09:18

Also there is no mention of cleaning in ad so it might not be as bad as it suggests?

My usual wage is £350-£400 net per week which sounds a lot but thats for a 7-7 days, making all meals (for children), tidying up/cleaning up after them, school runs if necessary, nursery duties, laundry, shopping, any odd jobs that need doing on top of entertaining and teaching the children, taking them out, changing nappies, etc etc.

For parents that have 2 or more children under 5, a live in nanny is cheaper than a nursery. But its not in the culture up here so I have to look in London.

I'm starting to get more and more concerned as these seem to be the only kind of jobs advertised.

saintlyjimjams - would LOVE to do something like that, especially as I'm doing a psychology degree (PT Open Uni) but have no idea how you would get into that kind of thing with no SN experience...sad

Pigsmummy Thu 21-Mar-13 13:07:23

I think it has been badly advertised. It looks like drop off for all three kids in the morning, school and nursery. Then afternoon taking care of two boys then after school care for girl. What is the nanny meant to be doing whilst children are at school/nursery? Hours don't add up. If it is half the hours and live in then it's not such a bad deal? renting a room could be £500+ a month depending where you are?

LadyHarrietdeSpook Thu 21-Mar-13 12:59:52

*I do think that for a lot of parents, their working hours/patterns mean they are looking for looking for help which is just crazy hours (v early starts, long days etc) - which means they need a 'premium service' childcare arrangement, but aren't necessarily in high paying jobs which would allow them to pay a lot of money for a 'bespoke' childcare service.*

This is it, in a nutshell. If we had used a full time live out nanny at the going rate in London with tax on top for all the hours we needed it would have cost £36-42K per year. Non starter for us, so over the years we've had to cobble together various solutions to get where we needed to be.

ceeveebee Thu 21-Mar-13 12:09:10

Eldon
In your example ad the kids are at nursery & school - it's an aupair plus job really

Err - the 4 yr old twins at nursery in the morning so that's probably a 3 hour session leaving 2 hours of child-free time a day. No doubt having to use that time for laundry etc. So its definately a full time job and well below minimum wage (you can only allow £34 per week to be deducted for accommodation for nmw calculation purposes). Total slave labour.
I pay around that salary PER DAY for my nanny to look after my twins (live out though)

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