To be annoyed with cleaner in John Lewis?

(196 Posts)
Tralalalaha Thu 03-Jan-13 21:42:21

Went out with 21 month old DS in a back carrier to buy some new shoes in the sales. Got to JL and realised as I took him out to get his feet measured that he'd done a mahousive wee and was sopping from waist to knee (as indeed was my back). So nipped over to kids wear, bought some lovely trousers in the sale and sprinted into the changing room bit to sort him out. Both changing mats were in use by little teeny babies, the BF and bottle feeding rooms were in use and I didn't think anyone wanted to see a nappy change while feeding, but there's a big lobby bit so I thought for a quick whip and wipe, I'd just kneel on the floor and rest him on my bag.

I'll say now that DS never ever wees on me during nappy changes, so I was a bit surprised and horrified when he started peeing like a horse and grabbed a cloth out of my bag to put over his winky while jokingly saying 'naughty boy DS'. All of a sudden someone starts shouting at me, and I look over my shoulder (while mopping up DS and the floor) to see a cleaner looking pretty angry. She was shouting and saying why didn't I use one of the mats, so I said they were busy, then she said why didn't I use the table in the disabled loos. I hadn't spotted it to be honest, but wouldn't have taken up a disabled loo just to change a nappy anyway, then she told me I should have waited for a mat to be free. Leaving aside the fact that the little babies on those mats were still being changed when this was all over and I was leaving, poor DS was sopping wet and I didn't want to hang around with him in soggy clothing. I said as much, and then got a bit peppy and asked her if there were any of my other parenting choices she'd like to question and she stalked off muttering about mopping the floor and I finished up DS, wiped the floor with antibacterial wipes and left in a bit of a fricking snit actually.

So, AIBU to be peed off if you'll forgive the pun, or was she perfectly within her rights to be annoyed at the pee on the floor?

MuddlingMackem Fri 04-Jan-13 22:16:42

Ah Boomerwang, I did say 'if there were shared facilities'!

Actually, when mine were in nappies, I hated it when there was no toilet in with the baby changing facilities if they had a dirty nappy as it meant putting the poo in a bin - yuk! I much preferred to be able to flush it down a toilet. hmm

Boomerwang Fri 04-Jan-13 22:11:36

Muddling using the disabled toilet would probably get you a YABU too

MuddlingMackem Fri 04-Jan-13 21:58:00

DD had boosters in her Wonderoos at bedtime, but I still used to use a flannel and a terry nappy to stuff them for during the day. Don't remember any problems when in car seats, but it was a while ago now. smile

I never used wet bags either, freezer bags with the ziplock type seal worked best for me as they keep the smell in too. grin

festivelyfocussed Fri 04-Jan-13 21:56:04

IMO YWNBU to change him on the floor. Waiting with a wet toddler while a newborn is changed out of and back into fiddly, multiple layers is a pain. There was no need for the cleaner to shout, that's very rude. I can see why she would be annoyed but having to clean wee in a toilet is unlikely to come as a massive shock.
Maybe your response was a bit rude, but a good humoured "sorry" is an unlikely response to being yelled at in public.

Tralalalaha Fri 04-Jan-13 20:58:58

Thanks Muddling smile he had a booster in, but I think the problem was the compression of the nappy in the carrier. Should have occurred to me really, as car seats have occasionally done the same thing. If he'd been walking (I wish) he'd probably have been fine, but he's not good for any further than over the road really. Nappy and clothes made it home fine in a nappy sack. Wet bags and I have never felt the love ;)

Never got the hang of standing up nappy changes. Either my crack handedness or DCs' bloody mindedness I expect.

Hobbitation Fri 04-Jan-13 20:39:26

When DD2 was 21 months I used to nip into a cubicle and stand her on the closed toilet seat to change her.

At first I thought the OP had changed a nappy in a changing room! I don't think it matters too much in the toilets, but a cubicle would have been better.

MuddlingMackem Fri 04-Jan-13 20:38:39

Tralalalaha

Quick comment before I read the rest of the replies. Re: the flooding the terry nappies. Had the same problem with DS. Solved by buying three dozen or so cheap flannels/face cloths. A single flannel folded in half and put between the liner (if you use one) and the nappy. Should fix the problem, if it doesn't try using two. But you just need something which absorbs more quickly than the nappy and then spreads the liquid throughout the nappy. Hope that helps.

FWIW, in those circumstances you probably should have changed your DS in the disabled loo if there were shared facilities, only because it would have been useful to be able to wring out his clothes and nappy in the toilet before you packed them away. grin

maisiejoe123 Fri 04-Jan-13 20:29:42

The thing about having a newborn is that when you first change it take ages, after a couple of days it is like you born to it.

You should have waited.....

Boomerwang Fri 04-Jan-13 19:59:28

Shows how long I take to read a thread when someone else gets there before me :P

Boomerwang Fri 04-Jan-13 19:59:02

gallifrey It's all about surrounding circumstances. In this instance, facilities existed and some posters think the OP should have waited to use them.

Tralalalaha Fri 04-Jan-13 19:57:06

It's true, I was worried DS's winky would fall off if I left it any longer. Woe is me. All of the shame. Etc etc.

Well not really, gallifrey, given that there were changing facilities in the JL and the OP just couldn't be arsed waiting...

gallifrey Fri 04-Jan-13 19:12:08

how funny that on my thread about no baby changing facilities in a pub/restaurant I was told to get over myself and should have changed my dd's shitty nappy on my lap or on the floor (we took her out to the car) the op is getting slated for doing just that!

MsVestibule Fri 04-Jan-13 19:09:00

I was in Debenhams with DC1 when she needed changing (wee only). The changing room was one big room with a chair for breast feeding mothers and a changing table. It was locked, so after a few minutes I knocked on the door and a woman called out "I'm feeding my baby, I'll be a while.".

There was a long padded bench outside the changing room, so I changed DC on there. A member of staff bustled over, most concerned, and said "Can I help you?". I answered "Erm, if you like, but I've nearly finished, thanks." grin.

Funnily enough, she wasn't impressed with my response and asked why I hadn't used the changing room. I explained the design flaw with their feeding/changing room and suggested she took the problem up with the management.

OP, I can't decide in your circumstances whether you were U of not. Or whether I was U or not in my situation. But I do like your responses, so thanks for giving me a much needed laugh today!

soverylucky Fri 04-Jan-13 19:01:12

I used cloth but found the plastic pants contained everything. I don't think you actually did anything that wrong since you were in the toilet area and cleaned up after yourself but I could understand the cleaner being a bit miffed.
Now I once saw a woman whip out a potty in the middle of tesco for her ds to wee in. That was weird.

Tralalalaha Fri 04-Jan-13 18:56:04

I generally find that a good two part cloth nappy system contains better than a sposie. But what I should have considered was the compression in the carrier, which probably made the wet wick out and all over his clothes.

Not sure why the clearner's salary has anything to do with it? Do I have to be super nice to people who might possibly be underpaid for their work? Am I allowed to be rude to people I think are overpaid? Because there's this bloke at work right...

Went to Ikea today. Did idly consider spinning DS in a circle in the middle of the restaurant shrieking 'have at it DS, the world is your pisspot'. Didn't though.

Casserole Fri 04-Jan-13 18:49:56

"Horribly irresponsible"?????

<wanders off laughing>

Viviennemary Fri 04-Jan-13 18:31:28

YABU. And horribly irresponsible and lacking in concern for other people. Why could you not have waited till a changing mat became free.

Casserole Fri 04-Jan-13 18:29:26

This thread is weird.

I'd have probably done the same, OP, on the basis that a) you WERE still in the toilets, b) I wouldn't have wanted to rush the Mums of the newborns, c) I wouldn't have wanted him to stay in wet clothes any longer and d) you wouldn't have expected another ginormo-wee so soon after the last one. And I bet you half of those shouting the odds here have at some point changed their babies whilst out and about elsewhere than on official changing stations, too.

I hardly ever take clothes out and about. A nappy and a pack of wipes, a nappy sack, that's me done, unless it's a whole day out.

I wouldn't do it with reuseables and a toddler though, that's the only difference. I don't think they contain things as well. But that's just my preference.

nightowlmostly Fri 04-Jan-13 18:28:09

I'm going against the grain and saying YANBU OP! I know the layout you're talking about, and it would seem like a reasonable option to me too, if you're out of the way to the side and it's not in anyone's way I really don't see the issue. It's not the shop floor is it?!

maisiejoe123 Fri 04-Jan-13 18:03:19

Eww - it sounds horrible to come across. Just like the poster who said she took her young baby to the cinema and then proceeded to change them on the seat next to her. I wouldnt like to sit on THAT seat!

How aboutthe lady I sat behind on a flight last year who started asking the person next to her to stand up as she wanted to use her seat to lay her baby down and change her!!

Yuck yuck yuck....

Wow. You really stuck it to that (probably) underpaid cleaner. She won't go telling people not to piss all over the place again. Well done.

BarredfromhavingStella Fri 04-Jan-13 17:49:42

Not read the whole thread but I'd have probably done the same if I'm honest, this is due to my lack of patience-would've just ignored hysterical cleaner.

HTH

JamieandtheMagiTorch Fri 04-Jan-13 17:38:08

OP

I agree with your approach to training your Dd.

Bothe mine were over 3 when they were trained, and it took a concerted few days at home, with no nappies or pullups, to get the ball rolling. Both were trained with no accidents very quickly

CockBollocks Fri 04-Jan-13 16:03:13

Wow, tis wee on the floor from a very small child, tis all it is!!! It was cleaned up!

This is your 2nd child op, DD2 was lucky if I remembered to take wipes out let alone a change of clothes. As for change of clothes for mum - ahahahaha ha ha ha.

<rolls around laughing>

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