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AIBU to not get how Infacol get away with it?

(126 Posts)
ICBINEG Mon 01-Oct-12 15:50:56

I mean compare this

with this

confused

susiegrapevine Mon 01-Oct-12 16:10:00

Hmm well its seems to be working for my lo so will carry on.

MrSunshine Mon 01-Oct-12 16:10:04

Placebo effect is for the parents, not the baby.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 01-Oct-12 16:11:11

placebos can work if the parent changes their behaviour or feelings as result of the treatment, and the child reacts to that

HandHolding Mon 01-Oct-12 16:11:54

Placebo though is a big bag to put all the different things that actually DO make a difference but we haven't a clue what they are.
It can be talking, the colour of the drug, the nice reassuring pharmacist, knowing you ARE doing something.

It's not because we don't actually now which one of these it is or because it's not a molecule of some sort that it doesn't make a difference.
The problem, on a research pov, is that you can't replicate it easily so it doesn't fit studies.

Personally, I would choose a good dose of positive placebo effect over any drug (Really less risk tbh)

RaisinDEtre Mon 01-Oct-12 16:11:57

And thank you too Raspberry

RaisinDEtre Mon 01-Oct-12 16:12:34

Jamie makes a good point

MrSunshine Mon 01-Oct-12 16:13:03

You know colic doesn't describe anything but the pattern of crying? Nobody knows the reason for it, there is no description of colic that diagnoses anything.

Infacol and the like relieve gas. Colic doesn't mean gas. So gas relieving = reduction in colic doesn't mean much.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 01-Oct-12 16:13:58

Good point Mr Sunshine. That was my understanding of colic

susiegrapevine Mon 01-Oct-12 16:14:02

Plus no one really knows what colic is so if it helps them burp all the better!

JamieandtheMagicTorch Mon 01-Oct-12 16:14:28

Xpostarama

weegiemum Argentina Mon 01-Oct-12 16:14:40

Placebo can work on animals too.

HandHolding Mon 01-Oct-12 16:14:59

In this case, it could the loving parent, very reassuring, not stressed that is helping. And they can do that because they are DOING something so feel more in control, relaxed etc...

TBH, a friend of mine used lots of different therapies when she had cancer, some of which, she has been told, were just 'placebo'. She has a really good answer to that.
'It worked for me and it made a difference. How and why I don't care.'

susiegrapevine Mon 01-Oct-12 16:15:12

Sorry xpost

ouryve Mon 01-Oct-12 16:15:16

It worked wonders with DS1, who was very colicky and gassy. DS2 had quite bad reflux, but was never uncomfortable enough to try it with him. He just covered me with half digested milk, then went back to feeding. I just burped him lots.

duletty Mon 01-Oct-12 16:16:31

ICBINEG you are charm personified aren't you

good luck with your ranting

Infacol didn't work for my colicky son. He screamed harder.

Gripe water worked well.

monkeysbignuts Mon 01-Oct-12 16:21:04

thanks for that, having a dumb moment lol.
My son would not part with his wind no matter what I tried sad

The colic was horrendous wind with my son. So I suppose I could just say awful wind. But the crying began at 5pm and escalated until about 10pm, with his knees up to his chin with the agony.

<shudders at the memory>

The farts were rather amazing when it all finally came out the other end though wink

realises she's bringing the tone of the thread down, and gets coat

McPhee Mon 01-Oct-12 16:23:28

Threads like this piss me off

Parenting is hard enough without randoms adding more to the pile

It's not damaging, so why does it matter so....

CandiStaton Mon 01-Oct-12 16:29:16

my 2 screamed and wouldnt settle
i gave them infacol; it made them burp
they stopped screaming and went to sleep

it does help them to bring up gas...and so is useful in some cases

like others have said, colic just describes a pattern of crying

InvisibleHotPinkWeasel Mon 01-Oct-12 16:32:31

So two trials on an average of 55 children each 12 years ago far outweighs generations of successful users on a condition that no one knows the actual causes of, so therefore not what a surefire definitive treatment would be?

Based on this you expect everyone to go "Gosh, thoses studies are definitive? hmm

OP. Time to step away from google.

SofaKing Mon 01-Oct-12 16:33:41

Was told to use Infacol by HV, who said I would need to use it for at least three months to get any benefit. Funnily enough three months is the age most colicky babies get better hmm.

I would never object to anyone buying and using it, I have heard many people who say it has been of genuine help with their babies, but I think a HCP pretending a placebo drug has some health benefits and encouraging extended use in small babies is just wrong.

Ds2 did not have any of the infacol or gripe water foisted upon us but did stop crying eventually. I think he just didn't like planet earth very much at first!

Asmywhimsytakesme Mon 01-Oct-12 16:35:13

YANBU - couldn't agree more!

YANBU

FairyDairyLand Mon 01-Oct-12 16:43:54

Infacol was a life saver for us with my sons very bad reflux..

As taught to us by a SCBU nurse, sucking a dummy is very good for reflux in babies due to the swallowing action it causes. And dipping the teat of a dummy in infacol made my son suck it when he was in pain (the strong taste shocked him slightly to stop him screaming, and then the sweetness made him suck suck suck) :D

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