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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A new poll on attitudes to transgenderism in the UK

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CrossPurposes · 10/02/2023 09:11

A poll conducted for Unherd has some interesting results which don't surprise me at all: unherd.com/2023/02/scotland-turns-on-gender-ideology/

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heathspeedwell · 10/02/2023 09:17

It's just common sense. Of course most people want trans people to be able to live happy lives. But where their demands conflict with women's rights, then our rights to privacy, dignity and safety should always come first.

I thought this paragraph was great: "Taken as a whole, there seems to be a majority of voters coming to a nuanced position on this issue: supportive of people who wish to identify as a different gender, but sharply defensive of women-only spaces and sports. And on the evidence of Scotland, the more they are exposed to the arguments the clearer that view becomes."

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 10/02/2023 09:21

Thanks for that link. From the article:

"Taken as a whole, there seems to be a majority of voters coming to a nuanced position on this issue: supportive of people who wish to identify as a different gender, but sharply defensive of women-only spaces and sports. And on the evidence of Scotland, the more they are exposed to the arguments the clearer that view becomes."

With Scotland coming up as the most trans-sceptical part of the UK. Wonder why??

ReunitedThorns · 10/02/2023 09:23

"Focaldata specialises in mapping opinion poll data onto smaller geographic areas, using a technique known as MRP, or Multilevel Regression with Post-stratification. For this study we collected data from 10,009 respondents between 12th and 16th December 2022 using Focaldata’s online platform. While this does not yield enough observations in individual constituencies to treat the data as separate constituency polls, we can look for patterns in responses across constituencies that have similar characteristics, and then work out the implications of those patterns for each constituency.

This technique of “multilevel regression and post-stratification” or MRP is the same approach used by Focaldata to predict Vote Intention in Westminster constituencies. Focaldata’s MRP model uses age, gender, education, working status, VoteGE2019, referendum vote, religion and housing tenure as individual-level predictors in the model. It also uses population density, % born in the UK, and % gross income median. We used a Bayesian exploded logit model, which is fit using Hamiltonian Monte Carlo with the open-source software Stan.

NOTE: These estimates include the 632 constituencies in England, Scotland and Wales, but not the 18 constituencies in Northern Ireland."

ReunitedThorns · 10/02/2023 09:28

I'm sorry but they've taken a poll of 10,009 and extrapolated for each constituency (so at most 16 per constituency, where a constituency in size is usually between 50,000 to 70,000 people).

Really don't think they can claim 43% in a constituency agree/disagree etc.

Whatever the results I wouldn't read too much into, especially as polling hasn't been great in the past ten years.

zanahoria · 10/02/2023 12:49

What does trans sceptical mean?

Reminds me of Alan Partridge saying he was homo sceptic.

I do not think Scottish people are more sceptical of either transpeople or the gender ideology, they just know a lot more about the latter and they bloody well do not like it.

CompleteGinasaur · 10/02/2023 13:04

Just an observation/aside, sorry for the slight derail - did anyone else spot that misogynistic sign "Nae Mar Fish"? Just wondered if anyone knew who that arsehole was, and whether or not he'd been reported..

CompleteGinasaur · 10/02/2023 13:07

Oops, sorry,"Pish", not "Fish"! (Note to self - put glasses on before posting!)

Mollyollydolly · 10/02/2023 13:20

Kathleen Stock's response to the poll is good.

I'm still flabbergasted that people are confused. The very first time I heard TWAW I thought 'but they're not are they?' and everything followed from there.

Logic is under-rated.

unherd.com/2023/02/the-problem-with-trans-women-are-women/

Grammarnut · 10/02/2023 20:26

zanahoria · 10/02/2023 12:49

What does trans sceptical mean?

Reminds me of Alan Partridge saying he was homo sceptic.

I do not think Scottish people are more sceptical of either transpeople or the gender ideology, they just know a lot more about the latter and they bloody well do not like it.

Agree. They know more and know they do not want it. Wales, meanwhile, is steeped in Kool Aid.

duvet · 10/02/2023 20:51

"....guilt-tripping much of the nation into half-believing something nonsensical."

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