Another couple of articles in The Sunday Times today

[ErrolTheDragon]

This is from the Scotland section - For Women Scotland warning organisations they may be breaching equality legislation following the Reindorf report re stonewalls misinformation.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/warnings-that-organisations-policy-could-breach-laws-on-trans-rights-l92zw6bsw?shareToken=733cc159938e8baf363f86b6eafff90f


There's also a piece on Julie Bindel suing pink news for defamation, but I can't get a sharetoken for that at the moment.

[Cismyfatarse]

I can't get a share token either but...

[allmywhat]

Who the hell is Lisa Power and why are the last two paragraphs of that devoted to her opinion?

[RedHoodGirl]

Lisa Power is a radical feminist and a founder of Stonewall.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

In glad to see someone taking on Pink "News". It really is a rag that just makes things up.

[BluePorchAwning]

The comments in the Times article are great. Thanks for posting link.

[everythingcrossed]

I'm a huge fan of Julie Bindel but she wasn't named so can she successfully win the case? The British cave diver who was libelled as a "paedo" by Elon Musk on Twitter lost his defamation case because he wasn't named even though the tweet seemed to be much more specifically about him (different jurisdiction, but similar principle).

[ScreamingMeMe]

"Calum Steele, general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, said it had previously raised concern that “over-reliance on very narrow interpretations and viewpoints would make policing of controversial issues like the transgender debate more difficult rather than easier”. "

That's great, but he needs to do more than 'raise concern'

[ScreamingMeMe]

@Cismyfatarse

I can't get a share token either but...

Amy Dyess is absolutely barking. I can't believe even Pink News took AD seriously. Although AD was telling them what they wanted to hear, I suppose.

AD is currently pissing off many TRAs with ego-fuelled ramblings (AD has proclaimed themselves the "Alpha Tran").

[ScreamingMeMe]

@RedHoodGirl

Lisa Power is a radical feminist and a founder of Stonewall.

Radical Feminist? Really?

[Clymene]

Here's a link to the article about Stonewall and Scotland: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/warnings-that-organisations-policy-could-breach-laws-on-trans-rights-l92zw6bsw?shareToken=d4e0631cf54b6fafdb6391eae8a4d7e1

The link thing isn't working for the Prick News article. And Lisa Power a radical feminist? Don't make me laugh!

[RoyalCorgi]

Interesting to read the Scotland article, which is about the disputed meaning of the phrase "gender reassignment" in the Equality Act. Reindorf, who wrote the Essex Uni report, says that "gender identity" is not the same as "gender reassignment". According to the article:

'On Friday a spokeswoman for the EHRC said that Reindorf’s opinion was “correct”, adding: “While terms such as ‘trans status’ and ‘gender identity’ are in common parlance and are related to the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, they have no specific legal meaning in this context.”'

But then it also quotes Nancy Kelley:

'Nancy Kelley, Stonewall’s chief executive, insisted that the Equality Act protected anyone whose gender was other than the one assigned at birth. “The statutory code of practice to the Equality Act, published by the EHRC, states that ‘gender reassignment is a personal process, that is, moving away from one’s birth sex to the preferred gender, rather than a medical process’.

‘The practical effect of this, in everyday language is that trans people are protected in law from discrimination based on their gender identity.”

Quite bold of Kelley to tell an expert barrister and the EHRC that they are both wrong in their interpretation of the law.

This is what the Equality Act says:

'A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.'

It seems to me that the get-out phrase, from Stonewall's point of view, is "other attributes". "Physiological" is very clear, but what on earth are "other" attributes of sex?

[Fernlake]

Also the 'proposing to undergo'.

It sets a timeline that, at the beginning, could be someone just talking about transitioning.

[Paralithic]

Josephine March’s comment on that article is perfect:

^I would like to cut through the 'Equality and Diversity' obfuscation: what Stonewall etc seek is not equal rights for trans people, but extra privileges for transwoman (males who 'identify' as women) : they seek women's single sex services, jobs, spaces and sports. And they want women objecting to this to be shamed and criminalised. What is going on in Scotland around so-called 'hate speech' is shockingly Orwellian. We've had an MSP tweeting hyperbole about 'hateful' chalkings and stickers that state the fact that males anf females are not the same; that woman do have rights, actually. If only Stonewall had stuck to fighting against male harassment and violence, and advocating for suitable third spaces for transpeople. Instead they told women to 'be kind or else', and tried to mandate thoughts and speech.
I have such admiration for For Women Scotland against such powerful forces.
FWS have responded with well-argued campaigning, savvy media, humour, some beautiful be-ribboning and chalking, and the police have been shown up as the Stonewall champs (chumps?) they are with their ridiculous over-reaction: there's been a sticker!^

[Paralithic]

Oops. Messed up the formatting.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

It sets a timeline that, at the beginning, could be someone just talking about transitioning.

Indeed.

[nauticant]

In case you didn't know, each paragraph needs to start and end with the formatting symbol, ^, *, _ etc.

[RedHoodGirl]

Lisa Power was featured in ‘Angry Wimmin’ alongside Julie Bindel, Sheila Jeffries, Linda Bellos and other radical feminists. Yes, she’s definitely a radical feminist!

[HavelockVetinari]

Weirdly the article isn't on the website of The Sunday Times - I've searched for it to no avail. Has it been pulled?

[Paralithic]

@nauticant

In case you didn't know, each paragraph needs to start and end with the formatting symbol, ^, *, _ etc.

Thanks, I do know that (honestly ) - I cut and pasted the comment, which didn’t appear to have paragraphs. Should have previewed first.

[stumbledin]

Lisa Power was featured in ‘Angry Wimmin’ alongside Julie Bindel, Sheila Jeffries, Linda Bellos and other radical feminists. Yes, she’s definitely a radical feminist!

Never ever trust a tv documentaty maker to tell you the facts and the truth.

Anything called Angry "Wimmin" would not be in anyway radical feminism!

As far as I know she has never been part of any feminist / women's group.

Even in the early days lesbian and gay politics weren't very woman friendly.

Which is so strange now that LGB Alliance are partly standing up for women's rights.

If the early Stonewall and Pride hadn't been so misogynistic it is just possible that they would have retained a higher % of lesbian feminists and never sucumbed to what seems like the ulitmate partriarchal plot, trans activism.

[stumbledin]

Sorry meant to add Vanessa Engle who made the documentary also didn't get the politics of squatting. Her style is "look at these quaint eccentrics" - a bit like the one she did about dog owners.

Interesting specimans to let people at home sit back and think aren't we lucky that we are so normal.

[Clymene]

[quote RedHoodGirl]Lisa Power was featured in ‘Angry Wimmin’ alongside Julie Bindel, Sheila Jeffries, Linda Bellos and other radical feminists. Yes, she’s definitely a radical feminist!

[/quote]
She really isn't. Lisa Powell is TWAW and no woman who centres men in her feminism is a radical feminist.

[ErrolTheDragon]

@HavelockVetinari

Weirdly the article isn't on the website of The Sunday Times - I've searched for it to no avail. Has it been pulled?

It still shows up in the app, which does get updated during the day.