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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

On C4 now - GC question to all labour leader candidates

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refusetobeasheep · 17/02/2020 20:22

On now

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InfiniteSheldon · 17/02/2020 20:29

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Whatsbrownandsticky · 17/02/2020 20:30

I only caught the end, can you put a little summary please?

Justhadathought · 17/02/2020 20:54

Taking an overview, it does show how far we've been able to move the debate into the spotlight - from a position of near total obscurity just a matter of months ago.......

Yes, there was a question on 'trans rights'. All three candidats became sweaty and uncomfortable; squirming and avoiding direct questions. Lisa Nandy tried to shift her response on to areas with which she is more comfortable ( domestic violence/refuges/asylum seekers) - which she feels might take away some of the heat she clearly feels.

Kier Starmer was avoidant and non responsive; in fact actively blocked questions and refused to answer why he did not sign the 'pledge'. Krishnan Guru murthy did his best not to let them off the hook...but they wriggled free anyway.

Can't even remember what Long Bailey said: mechanical and lacking in anything worth listening to was my impression. She's hopeless as leadership material.

Gury murthy then asked a couple of audience members for their view. A fairly yong black woman said she thought that safe spaces for women were important, and a hijab wearing muslim woman wanted to know why Kier Starmer did not sign the pledge that the other two had done......no response......refusal to answer...and tried to make it look like he was just being comradely in his refusal.

It is clear that none of the candidates feel secure in what they are saying; and do not have a full grasp of the issues. And indeed, the audience seemed perplexed too: about what a 'trans woman' actually was or implied. Rebecca Long Bailey is the most mechanical and on-message.

Justhadathought · 17/02/2020 20:57

It was good that the two randomly chosen audience members did not spout trans ideology or right on messages. Hopefully gave the candidates an insight into what normal, everyday people really feel....

There's no hope for Labour for many years to come...and maybe that is a good thing.

NeurotrashWarrior · 17/02/2020 21:00

I missed that question on rewind but it seems they, esp Nandy, were able to answer a question about standing Palestinian rights without being anti Semitic. Which was that it was very possible to do both.

Can they not employ similar thought processes to the trans debate?

NeurotrashWarrior · 17/02/2020 21:03

Thanks for the rundown Just.

I genuinely think they've thought it's as simple as apply the section 28 format to this issue.

But in reality I don't think any politician bar David Davis? Really understands the conversation.

Justhadathought · 17/02/2020 21:14

It is the thorn that none is willing to grasp...for fear of being on the 'wrong side of history'.

They each really need to do some consultation with 'A woman's Place U.K'. Nandy trying to suggest that " it isn't about organisations, but about individuals".........Yes, Lisa, the most fervently abusive individuals are the ones banging on windows, and shouting abuse at people as they attempt to make their way to legitimate meetings.

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/02/2020 21:18

Thanks Just. Saves me watching it.

Justhadathought · 17/02/2020 21:26

Perhaps we should all just move to the other applicable thread - save splitting our attention and the conversation......

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