Glasgow university sexist heckling

(62 Posts)
Tallgiraffe Mon 04-Mar-13 21:00:09

I find it staggering, upsetting and depressing that supposedly well educated young men can think this is appropriate sad

KatyTheCleaningLady Fri 15-Mar-13 07:08:42

I didn't realise until the last line of the article that heckling is allowed in these debates. I can see now that the problem is not just one of civility, but people who are not able to separate rhetorical aggression from sexual abuse.

Gingersnap88 Wed 13-Mar-13 22:18:39

I pulled out of student politics for this reason. I was an officer for my union for 2 years as well as holding positions on NUS committees. At NUS conferences, there aren't many women compared to men, and you are treated like an object. I never enjoyed them, never felt comfortable or that people were interested in my opinions, just whether or not thy could buy me a drink / if I was single hmm really depressing that these could be our future leaders.

NUS have released a report on Lad Culture with ink UK universities, it's called "thats what she said" if any of you would like a read. It's interesting stuff but very sad.

I ran the feminist society at uni and came under all sorts of flack for being a feminist! Abuse written on toilet walls, kill joy for being against strip nights etc, mocked constantly. Like going back in time...

MammaBean1988 Tue 12-Mar-13 12:56:51

Hi everyone, I'm really heartened by these responses to the GUU incident - I'm currently a student at Glasgow and am just so disgusted by this.

One of my friends is involved with the campaign against misogyny - i don't have a whole lot of time between studying and taking care of my daughter (3yrs) so can't be as involved as i'd like.

But she's just noticed me reading this thread and asked if anyone here is an alumnus from the time when the GUU had to admit women? Late 1970s-early 1980s - might be a long shot but if so and you'd be open to being in contact with their campaign against misogyny it'd be great if you could contact me and I'll pass on her details to you?

FastidiaBlueberry Mon 11-Mar-13 18:40:24

He's a maths teacher?

He's in contact with children?

<Aghast>

tintin1969 Mon 11-Mar-13 17:19:20

I heard about it on Womans Hour. Totally unbelievable. Had never come across the term 'rape song' till last week. What sort of retrograde crap is this? The university's reaction was pathetic

kim147 Sun 10-Mar-13 16:56:31

Just hope his attitudes have changed now he's out of that University

<doubts it>

MechanicalTheatre Sun 10-Mar-13 16:53:56

It is, yeah.

Very depressing indeed.

NormaStanleyFletcher Sun 10-Mar-13 16:50:09

That is utterly depressing mechanicaltheatre

MechanicalTheatre Sun 10-Mar-13 16:39:34

SDTG, you'll be pleased to know that the president who sanctioned such antics is currently a maths teacher. I'm not saying he wrote the stuff - but the buck stops at the top.

Hurrah.

I wonder where the officers and alumni of the GUU end up. It could be interesting, for example, to look at the GUU officers who produced the Freshers' guide that MechanicalTheatre quoted, or who organised the porn nights, and see where they are now.

MechanicalTheatre Sun 10-Mar-13 15:55:45

They still had a subscription to porn channels in the GUU when I was there in the early 2000s. Oh, and published a freshers guide with the line "no means yes and yes means harder".

The GUU are a bunch of utter knobs and it is scandalous that they have got away with their behaviour for so long.

BonnieWeeJeannieMcCall Sun 10-Mar-13 15:51:54

GUU had a reputation for this sort of stuff when I was a student (not at Glasgow) in the 80s. The had the "Freds" - pornographic film nights advertised as "Tom and Jerry" cartoon nights.

I'm appalled that 30 years later, nothing has changed.

FastidiaBlueberry Sun 10-Mar-13 09:45:39

If they had done this to any other protected group, they would have been arrested.

Glasgow university should make one attempt to get the GUU to clean up its act - completely and totally - and if they don't, it should be closed down. An organisation with these sort of attitudes has no place whatsoever in an educational establishment.

Kveta Fri 08-Mar-13 19:05:43

GUU was ever thus, sadly. Such a shame, because daft Friday was great fun, but the whole ethos of the union was male orientated. Sad that it hasn't moved on, and has in fact taken a backwards step, in the past 9 years though.

poozlepants Fri 08-Mar-13 17:49:58

I think the University authorities should expel the offenders for bringing the University into disrepute.
The GUU had a terrible reputation when I was at University in the 80's and I can't believe it's still going on.

FastidiaBlueberry Fri 08-Mar-13 17:19:18

It's funny how these boorish men join the debating soc isn't it?

Like they're really fond of debate?

When what they really need to do, is set up a heckling/ shouting down/ mindless abuse throwing society for them.

They're not being catered for so they end up in the wrong soc.

prettybird Fri 08-Mar-13 08:51:35

Spoke to dh about it as he's a graduate of Glasgow Uni (in 1981). He said it didn't surprise him as there is a particular small cohort of boorish, sexist guys (part of the institutional/cultural) sexism that exists in the West of Scotland. sad

He also admitted that he had also been against admitting women to the GUU, which only finally happened in 1980 hmm. He's more enlightened now. grin

I agree that the response from the Uni should be greater than just from GUU - they have brought the whole Uni into disrepute.

I find parliament a total embarrassment. It's just boorish jeering and heckling. And PMQs is largely just two posh arseholes insulting each other and thinking they're funny. It sets such a pathetically low standard for political debate in this country.

pixi2 Fri 08-Mar-13 08:33:52

It will be interesting to see how Glasgow deal with this. The university has been brought into disrepute by this incident.

Incidentally, if the university deal with it appropriately and prevent the like from ever happening again perhaps they could advise Westminster. I find the MP's incredibly ill mannered in debates.

Incidentally, while I was a student, some of the active GU types phoned in a bomb threat to the QM. It had to be evacuated and it wasted considerable amounts of emergency service time. However the idiots who did it thought it was a great prank. hmm

It honestly isn't the whole university though. The whole multiple union set up in Glasgow means that early different groups go through university barely noticing each other. There will be plenty of Glasgow students who are utterly mortified by the boorish arses in the debating society. I'd imagine the majority of them are embarrassed that these people seem to be representing the university, and annoyed too.

FastidiaBlueberry Thu 07-Mar-13 23:58:59

I wonder if they wd tell black speakers that it's only to be expected that they wd be booed and that they'd brought it on themselves by being black and yet expecting to participate in the life of a university society?

But I keep forgetting, racism is morally and ethically unacceptable while sexism is not just OK, it's edgy and great and needs to be encouraged in universities

I think the debates society at the GU probably harbours the last bastion of misogyny at Glasgow though. It certainly did while I was there.

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