Does a prudish attitude towards sex reduce sex-crimes?

(57 Posts)
Charlizee Thu 24-Jan-13 20:01:10

And does censorship help reduce sex crimes?

Discuss.

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding Fri 25-Jan-13 18:10:11

biscuit

feministefatale Fri 25-Jan-13 18:08:50

Not when so many of the women in the porn industry are being raped. No

FreyaSnow Fri 25-Jan-13 18:08:11

Nobody is completely against censorship and limitations in the distribution of porn. People just have different ideas about what should and should not be available to view and in what context.

Charlizee Fri 25-Jan-13 17:55:33

"I assumed from your OP that you thought people ought to be more prudish to reduce sex crimes."

Actually the opposite. I believe a healthy attitude towards sex and the human body is the best one to take.

I am also against censorship of porn and advocate legalized prostitution on the grounds it is between consenting adults and off the street.

If porn "increases a culture in which sex crime is viewed as acceptable" then why is it Japan has very low sex-crime for its population and it viewed as one of the safest countries for women yet the porn it produces is among the most extreme (and sometimes violent) porn in the world?

You mentioned yourself sex crime was still a large problem in Victorian-era Britain yet back then there was no internet porn at all and attitudes towards sex were very hush-hush.

Is it not possible to have a thriving porn industry and safety for women?

This isn't the US though, is it, unless something about Cameron's plan to leave the EU has been arranged very sneakily while I wasn't looking?

I agree the US attitude to nudity is unhealthy. But nobody on this thread is saying that the sight of a naked breast upsets them in any way, if it is simple nudity. So what relevance does Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" have to our discussion?

Your minimal comments on this thread make it difficult to know what point you are trying to make - I assumed from your OP that you thought people ought to be more prudish to reduce sex crimes. But if you are in favour of the sex industry then you are presumably accusing us of being prudish and saying that is what is causing the problem?

Perhaps you would like to make a clear statement on what you are for and against, so that we can discuss specifics?

Personally - I am pro nudity, and pro consenting sex between adults.

I am against pornorgraphy and the sex industry, because -

1. in a large number of cases the women involved are not in a position to give genuine consent

2.the imagery involved is not positive and consensual even if the women themselves have consented. It therefore promotes a negative and abusive style of sexuality, which increases a culture in which sex crime is viewed as acceptable, and just part of a "sliding scale" of sexual expression, rather than an aberration.

Portofino Fri 25-Jan-13 08:45:51

biscuit

feministefatale Fri 25-Jan-13 04:20:00

God I hope you are a man taking the piss Charlizee.

Charlizee Fri 25-Jan-13 01:25:31

"Can you define a prudish attitude? Thanks."

Look at American for example when janet jackson's nipple slipped for about half a second on live TV. The whole country was in uproar and parents were complaining there children would be harmed because they saw a female nipple.

Some people really need to get over themselves.

runningforthebusinheels Thu 24-Jan-13 23:28:22

I was called a prude when I spoke out against the sex industry on a thread not too long ago <preens>

'Prude' is the modern day insult for feminists in these liberated times.

When I was watching 'Parade's End' (BBC drama from a book published in 1924) I was interested that a character said, of the Suffragettes, "well, you know they're all whores, don't you."

Interesting how the insults directed at feminists have changed over time.

thezebrawearspurple Thu 24-Jan-13 23:22:05

Go to Egypt, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc... and enjoy the reaction you get to walking down the street alone while female. Cultures with prudish attitudes toward sex have remarkably high rates of sex crimes toward women and street harassment is the norm.

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 23:19:22

Black bars over nipples! What a great idea. I reckon that could singlehandedly eliminate most rapes. Where can I get a bar for mine?

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 23:17:46

If I saw a woman's breasts I'd make a huge fuss AND cover my child's eyes immediately, yes. Don't want any child of mine thinking the human body is natural or normal.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 23:13:31

<sorry, satirical thread has affected my posting style> grin

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 24-Jan-13 23:12:45

The OP is pro-sex industry and an advocate for the legalisation of prostitution. She's come here to enlighten us dried up old prunes.

Yes, banning breast feeding in public is going to help women. confused There is nothing even sexual about that!

Are you a man, OP?

Question: do you know what the root of 'prudish' is, and do you think it's a term used to make women feel shit about themselves?

Did you learn to write posts from a 1970s O Level paper?

Discuss.

RubyrooUK Thu 24-Jan-13 22:04:31

(I was just reading something about rapes in prison. Even in environments with no women, rape still exists. So my point was just that I didn't think censorship of women's bodies/breasts etc was the answer.)

RubyrooUK Thu 24-Jan-13 22:01:09

But that's what I mean CrunchyFrog. Isn't rape one person deciding that they have the right to violate another without consent? That surely is someone who is interested in power over someone else. The sexual act is just the most intimate way of doing this to someone else.

CrunchyFrog Thu 24-Jan-13 21:53:11

"rape really about power" - no, I don't think it's as simple as that at all.

There is a power imbalance issue, but I think a bigger issue is that entitlement to sex combined with a total lack of understanding of what consent means.

CrunchyFrog Thu 24-Jan-13 21:51:44

I live in quite a prudish society - rural NI. I can report that low-level sexual assault is alive and well, but only if the woman deserves it by being single, attractive, unattractive, made-up, not made up, is wearing clothes which are most, revealing or a combination, outside, indoors or otherwise alive while in the possession of a female body and no looming husband.

<having an annoying week>

Oh, and it's definitely her fault for leading them on/ frustrating them by not responding to their advances/ being out in public.

To be fair, it wouldn't be treated as a sex crime by the PSNI anyway. I mean, what's a little sexual language, intimidation and unprovable groping between enemies?

RubyrooUK Thu 24-Jan-13 21:37:59

Isn't rape really about power OP? After all, men get raped too, not just women. It is about one person inflicting their power on another in the most intimate, taboo way possible. So I'm not sure what prudish attitudes have to do with that.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 21:34:20

OP - prurient attitude towards, and fear of sex = prudishness. Can (and often does) go hand in hand with an oo-er missus attitude to all things even vaguely sexual, a tendency to sexualise things which are not in and of themselves sexual (e.g. going topless on the beach), and outright pornification of just about every aspect of culture.

Enthusiastic enjoyment of consensual sex, whether within a loving relationship or simply with another adult who you know to be as keen as you are and who is in a position to give free, uncoerced consent, and who you recognise as a fellow member of the human race = being a healthy well adjusted adult. Can (and often does) go hand in hand with a distaste for objectifcation, reduction of one's fellow humans to their genitalia and zero tolerance attitude towards sexual violence.

HTH.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:32:55

I think most of us just want women to not be constantly seen as sex objects. That is nothing to do with breast feeding or just the female form. It's to do with expecting us to perform on polls in libraries.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:30:59

Just saw your pole dancing comment OP, is your point that we are all prudes and this doesn't stop rape? I am confused as your OP seems fairly ridiculous and pointless.

I read a fascinating (though depressing) article about "Victorian values" recently - it was an account of a man who investigated prostitution and led to the increase of the age of consent to 16. Women as young as 12 were routinely being tricked into prostitution - they were raped, and then because they were "ruined" they could not return to their families or jobs and had to take what work they could get, which was in a brothel. Many of them agreed to be "seduced" for a small fee, without even understanding what it was they were agreeing to, and then had no choice of backing out of the deal nce it became clear what was happening (if they even understood it when it happened).

So - prudish attitudes and lack of sex education = easy to prey on young women and impossible for them to then escape.

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