Does a prudish attitude towards sex reduce sex-crimes?

(57 Posts)
Charlizee Thu 24-Jan-13 20:01:10

And does censorship help reduce sex crimes?

Discuss.

SinisterSal Thu 24-Jan-13 20:42:00

I would hope there can be a view of sex and sexuality tht is neith prudish nor pornified. Sex crimes wouldn't make sense if sex was only about a meeting of minds as well as bodies.fun desire. By meeting of minds i don't mean twoo love neccessarily, but two people connecting on whatever level, not just two sets of genitals connecting.

StewieGriffinsMom Thu 24-Jan-13 20:57:26

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Booyhoo Thu 24-Jan-13 21:03:42

" I mean banning things like topless beaches/breastfeeding/public nudity etc and requiring a black bar be used to hide female nipples if a topless woman is printed or shown on TV. "

but breasts dont cause rape my dear. rape exists where breasts do not.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:07:01

Do women in burqas ever get raped?

Discuss.

SinisterSal Thu 24-Jan-13 21:17:16

Perhaps the answer is No ,actually on reflection it turns out that a bit of pornification and objectification is actually good for women. ! If i do a bit of soul searching i suppose ive only ever been against it cos im jealous and bitter. Feminism is such a crock.

Smudging Thu 24-Jan-13 21:19:10

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Sunnywithshowers Thu 24-Jan-13 21:23:29

No.

Not being near a rapist reduces sex crimes.

HTH.

I read a fascinating (though depressing) article about "Victorian values" recently - it was an account of a man who investigated prostitution and led to the increase of the age of consent to 16. Women as young as 12 were routinely being tricked into prostitution - they were raped, and then because they were "ruined" they could not return to their families or jobs and had to take what work they could get, which was in a brothel. Many of them agreed to be "seduced" for a small fee, without even understanding what it was they were agreeing to, and then had no choice of backing out of the deal nce it became clear what was happening (if they even understood it when it happened).

So - prudish attitudes and lack of sex education = easy to prey on young women and impossible for them to then escape.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:30:59

Just saw your pole dancing comment OP, is your point that we are all prudes and this doesn't stop rape? I am confused as your OP seems fairly ridiculous and pointless.

feministefatale Thu 24-Jan-13 21:32:55

I think most of us just want women to not be constantly seen as sex objects. That is nothing to do with breast feeding or just the female form. It's to do with expecting us to perform on polls in libraries.

LurcioLovesFrankie Thu 24-Jan-13 21:34:20

OP - prurient attitude towards, and fear of sex = prudishness. Can (and often does) go hand in hand with an oo-er missus attitude to all things even vaguely sexual, a tendency to sexualise things which are not in and of themselves sexual (e.g. going topless on the beach), and outright pornification of just about every aspect of culture.

Enthusiastic enjoyment of consensual sex, whether within a loving relationship or simply with another adult who you know to be as keen as you are and who is in a position to give free, uncoerced consent, and who you recognise as a fellow member of the human race = being a healthy well adjusted adult. Can (and often does) go hand in hand with a distaste for objectifcation, reduction of one's fellow humans to their genitalia and zero tolerance attitude towards sexual violence.

HTH.

RubyrooUK Thu 24-Jan-13 21:37:59

Isn't rape really about power OP? After all, men get raped too, not just women. It is about one person inflicting their power on another in the most intimate, taboo way possible. So I'm not sure what prudish attitudes have to do with that.

CrunchyFrog Thu 24-Jan-13 21:51:44

I live in quite a prudish society - rural NI. I can report that low-level sexual assault is alive and well, but only if the woman deserves it by being single, attractive, unattractive, made-up, not made up, is wearing clothes which are most, revealing or a combination, outside, indoors or otherwise alive while in the possession of a female body and no looming husband.

<having an annoying week>

Oh, and it's definitely her fault for leading them on/ frustrating them by not responding to their advances/ being out in public.

To be fair, it wouldn't be treated as a sex crime by the PSNI anyway. I mean, what's a little sexual language, intimidation and unprovable groping between enemies?

CrunchyFrog Thu 24-Jan-13 21:53:11

"rape really about power" - no, I don't think it's as simple as that at all.

There is a power imbalance issue, but I think a bigger issue is that entitlement to sex combined with a total lack of understanding of what consent means.

RubyrooUK Thu 24-Jan-13 22:01:09

But that's what I mean CrunchyFrog. Isn't rape one person deciding that they have the right to violate another without consent? That surely is someone who is interested in power over someone else. The sexual act is just the most intimate way of doing this to someone else.

RubyrooUK Thu 24-Jan-13 22:04:31

(I was just reading something about rapes in prison. Even in environments with no women, rape still exists. So my point was just that I didn't think censorship of women's bodies/breasts etc was the answer.)

Question: do you know what the root of 'prudish' is, and do you think it's a term used to make women feel shit about themselves?

Did you learn to write posts from a 1970s O Level paper?

Discuss.

Yes, banning breast feeding in public is going to help women. confused There is nothing even sexual about that!

Are you a man, OP?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Uruguay Thu 24-Jan-13 23:12:45

The OP is pro-sex industry and an advocate for the legalisation of prostitution. She's come here to enlighten us dried up old prunes.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Uruguay Thu 24-Jan-13 23:13:31

<sorry, satirical thread has affected my posting style> grin

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 23:17:46

If I saw a woman's breasts I'd make a huge fuss AND cover my child's eyes immediately, yes. Don't want any child of mine thinking the human body is natural or normal.

JacqueslePeacock Thu 24-Jan-13 23:19:22

Black bars over nipples! What a great idea. I reckon that could singlehandedly eliminate most rapes. Where can I get a bar for mine?

thezebrawearspurple Thu 24-Jan-13 23:22:05

Go to Egypt, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc... and enjoy the reaction you get to walking down the street alone while female. Cultures with prudish attitudes toward sex have remarkably high rates of sex crimes toward women and street harassment is the norm.

runningforthebusinheels Thu 24-Jan-13 23:28:22

I was called a prude when I spoke out against the sex industry on a thread not too long ago <preens>

'Prude' is the modern day insult for feminists in these liberated times.

When I was watching 'Parade's End' (BBC drama from a book published in 1924) I was interested that a character said, of the Suffragettes, "well, you know they're all whores, don't you."

Interesting how the insults directed at feminists have changed over time.

Charlizee Fri 25-Jan-13 01:25:31

"Can you define a prudish attitude? Thanks."

Look at American for example when janet jackson's nipple slipped for about half a second on live TV. The whole country was in uproar and parents were complaining there children would be harmed because they saw a female nipple.

Some people really need to get over themselves.

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