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   Our SN area is not a substitute for expert advice. While many Mumsnetters have a specialist knowledge of special needs, if they post here they are posting as members, not experts. There are, however, lots of organisations that can help - some suggestions are listed here. If you've come across an organisation that you've found helpful, please tell us. Go to Parents with disabilities, SN teens, SN legal, SN education, SN recommendations.

Help with statment stuff again.

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WE have gone through the statementing process so far we have rejected the 1st proposed statement and had a meeting with the case worker with the draft of the statement with my amendments. Our school choice was agreed to but they wanted to remove all references to PECS trained people working with Ds. I was told that the case worker had spoken to the head mistress who had confirmed all staff are PECS trained so it was irrelevant anyway. I agreed to contact the school myself and if the staff were all properly PECS trained to have it removed from statement. However it seems although they have a PECS coordinator they are given in house training only and I am currently trying to find out from the school if the coordinator is trained to train because it sounds as if the school is not using it correctly - I spoke to a class teacher who said they use it for snack time[sigh]. I have left several messages since last Friday with headmistress who has not got back to me I keep being told she is busy.

I had also requested that the Occupational therapist write more specific input recommendations but they have also come back quite vague. The SALT has quantified input but says " up to" which I requested they removed. I will contact the OT but I am hitting a brick wall in terms of getting the statement to be specific and quantitative. The professionals writing the report say they are not responsible for quantifying input and the LEA say that they can only include what the professional have written.

So my questions are :

1) Even though DS is going to a special school can I insist that staff are properly PECS trained? (the case worker said that its not for the LEA to dictate how the school spend their budget or train their staff).

2) is there anything I can quote at OT to get them to write more specific recommendations?
Add message | Report | Contact poster By Tue 03-Nov-09 13:09:27
Hi Stary

I'm right behind you, in every sense of the word!
Just to update you all..

we had a meeting with the LEA yesterday to try and come to an agreement before it reaches tribunal. Did not get very far managed to get some bits more specific but mostly it got us nowhere. I have a great lady helping me with this who really knows her stuff (thanks Davros). However we spent the best part of 2 hours arguing that DS needs to have people who know how to use pecs around him at all times and for the school to use pecs throughout the day instead of just at snack time. The teacher really doesn't seem to get PECS at all and keeps talking about symbols and routines. I was trying to explain that increasing Ds PECS vocabulary is essential to his learning the rest of the curriculum as he has such a limited understanding and PECS is the only way he can communicate and learn new words.

ah well I guess we will see what happens a the tribunal.... (will update in Feb).

BTW thank you very much you lovely ladies for persuading me to continue when I was ready to give up. Im so glad I didnt.
Add message | Report | Contact poster By Fri 11-Sep-09 09:13:46
Whenever someone tells me I am 'getting something', when I am whinging about how useless it is, I've started to ask them directly.

'OK, what outcomes have their been for DS as a direct result of your input?'

'How do you know that those outcomes were down to your input?'

Even better to get it in writing, because you can see clearly where your and the LA opinions of provision differ.

Their waffly scrabbling around to answer your question will be good evidence to show they don't know what they are doing, - or at least it shows you clearly in advance what their arguments against you will be.

hth
Add message | Report | Contact poster By Fri 11-Sep-09 01:59:18
Not necessarily.It depends on how well you know your stuff and your child. The salt is not going to write anything other than the most vague intervention plan (one that will be feasible in context of huge caseloads and understaffing).It is your job to disregard that (it is not your problem or issue) and think about how best to specify and quantify what you feel your son needs.

Hopefully that will tally with what peopel like the SALT say but it may not, so in that sense you have to fight yuor corner in a logical manner.
thanks everyone.

would I need a new SALT report to back up my argument?
Add message | Report | Contact poster By Thu 10-Sep-09 17:32:35
And EVERYTHING needs to be written as meaningful provision, otherwise what's the point of writing it down?
Add message | Report | Contact poster By Thu 10-Sep-09 17:30:53
Can you ds imitate? If his imitation skills are coming on that can be evidence why makaton wasn't appropriate but is now iyswim?
Add message | Report | Contact poster By Thu 10-Sep-09 17:29:34
www.makaton.org/research/grove80.htm
Add message | Report | Contact poster By Thu 10-Sep-09 15:44:49
Ask Makaton to cite the evidence there is to show it is useful. Stick the references into yuor submission. It's a lot harder to argue with research than with opinion.

The words to remember are 'specify' and 'quantify' so if either OT or SALT recommend stuff, think of how it can be translated into meaningful provision.

Thus

'close ocntact will be maintained between school and home' won't wash.

'The SALT will visit X in his school for an hour every week' will.

With me? smile

Have you looked at IPSEA website for assistance? Please do. Very useful.
I really need help -I have to get this bloody appeal thing off asap. I cant get hold of the lady from IPSEA who was helping.

How do I provide evidence for Makaton if DS doesn't currently use it?

Would I need whole SALT and OT reports to change the vague parts into meaningful provision?
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