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GCSE in RE.(41 Posts)
We are choosing subjects for GCSE atm - well, dd is! They get 1 hr pw of RE, which the school has decided will lead to another GCSE (2x1.5 hr exams). This is a core subject choice.
Why do they have to do it? I know the Gov has deemed that state schools must teach 1hr of RE a week, OK. Why the mandatory GCSE at the end of it though? DD doesn't want to do it, doesn't think it will be helpful as it is focussed on Xianity (she isn't). If it covered religions of the world or ancient religions she'd be interested, particularly the latter (Aztecs, Egyptians, Romans etc).
My own view is that if she's doing the 2 years she may as well do the exam. I do still wonder why the school has made the exam mandatory.
Jux It is a wonderful place but a bit of an alternative undergraduate experience. Makes you want to go yourself though, doesn't it?
Thank you Copthall, again. Very interesting links. I particularly liked the language paper, as (I think!) I could actually do it, but I haven't checked the answers yet; it was fun anyway. I've printed it off for dd to have a look at as she has a great interest in languages, made up one of her own (and a script to go with it, which she still uses for her diary) when she was 8ish as you do, though I doubt it has a particularly full vocab.
She says she would like to go to Oxford, hates London so SOAS is out for the moment (shame, as I have loved SOAS for years, for no particular reason). Still, plenty of time for her to change her mind. She'll probably suddenly decide she'd rather be a hairdresser or something (and people will always want their hair cut, so it's a secure job).
Kids. Who'd 'ave 'em?
Mine loved it and 2 have carried on to A level - RE and Philosophy is great for discussion, essay writing, thinking things through. Helps dd1 with her law degree and lots of fascinating links. She even thought of doing a philosophy degree and is in a philosophy society.
If it's well taught, it's brilliant.
Thanks, Copthall. It does sound fascinating. When I was at Uni everything was very separate, even within a discipline, for instance different aspects of psychology hardly seemed to touch each other. I know that that has been changing, and am glad to hear that that change has gone so far.
I will look at Oxbridge and SOAS, dd may be very interested
jux Area studies look at a particular area or culture and then study the different disciplines within that context. It actually has a academic tradition, the sinophiles etc, but academia these days questions the traditional boundaries between disciplines as often there is much to study in between, Cambridge for instance does a Natural Sciences degree , rather than the traditional individual Sciences, although you specialise there are chances to study not just areas of Science but economics, philosophy and ethics etc alongside. Egyptology like classics could be regarded as area studies, since the past is another country and they take a similar interdisciplinery approach, However there are excellent area studies courses focusing on the Middle East, America, China etc etc where your daughter would get to study language alongside history, literature, religion etc etc etc Both the Oxbridge and SOAS courses would give you a good idea.
I've never heard of area studies, Copthall. It sounds interesting. Does it fall into a wider subject area, for instance Philosophy? DD is primarily a historian (specialising in Egyptology!) but is also shaping up to be strong in chemistry. Her english and literacy skills are fantastic too, and she seems to be a bit of a linguist (this is what the school tell us too, not just fond parental assessment).
While at present she still wants to specialise as an Egyptologist (has wanted that since she was 3), I am thinkinh ahead as to how she might achieve that, but also what other possibilities there are for her.
chloe74 But right and wrong are subjective concepts . They arise from a context and that includes religion, race, politics, culture etc. I am an academic specialising in area studies and one of the reasons we value the religion and ethics GCSE is that already students will have got used to looking at those contexts and understanding different perspectives. What you are teaching your son arises from your belief system, western liberalism perhaps? A belief system that sprung up in 18thc Europe. Not surprising that whole swathes of the world are not signed up, what our world desperately needs people who can understand the different perspectives on right and wrong.
good point fairylightsandtinsel. I most certainly do want my DC to learn about world views, however doing it through the lens of religion is part of the problem. To say all people who ticked 'christian' at the last census believes the historical morality any church espouses is just incorrect. Most Christians have different views on morality, so I cant see how it helps to teach them what 'Christians' believe is right or wrong is, their is no such thing. Might as well teach them what: the Spanish, the communists, the American gun lobby, the disabled, the mentally insane... think morality is.
Teaching children how to determine what is right and wrong is a very important subject and should not be tainted or influenced by any religion. I am actively doing that with my DC and when he grows up and encounters other cultures I hope he will have the intelligence and morality to determine whether an particular individual is doing the right or wrong thing irrespective of how they justify it using religion, politics, race, ethnicity, culture, etc.
Why is it acceptable to have a Chaplin in charge of the RE department and not someone who is a member of the BNP? Surly a prerequisite to teaching morality should be non bias to any religion/group!
Any RS teacher who evangelises in class should be struck off. It is religious EDUCATION, not indoctrination. I am an atheist, my head of dept is the school chaplain, we both teach all six major world religions in the sense of teaching what the hundreds of millions of people in the world believe and how it influences their lives. Chloe74, do you really want your children to have no clue about this aspect of humanity and what it does (for good and ill)? This is why a straight philosophy class is not the same, though i would happily teach one as well as RS if the timetable would allow it.
cuggles - I think you are a bit confused, I was responding to the OP where she is talking about the Christianity centered RE in her particular DD's school.
If the subject is as diverse as to cover ethics, morality, debate etc then it should be called a philosophy class. The reason being that some schools use it to push one (their) religion aka indoctrination. I wonder how many atheists teach RE in Catholic schools? The teaching of morality is to important to be linked to Religion.
Thanks everyone. The debating and ethics is certainly an huge positive. Think what I am worried about - a bit - is that dd is a follower of a very minority religion, and the school have already objected to it. Moreover, her tutor and HoY have said they are committed Xians; they clearly have found it quite hard to cope with dd's beliefs. She has been told not to talk about it in school, though her RE teachers, and many other teachers, are very interested (and there are others of her religion in the school too).
I suppose, I was worried that she would be Evangelised at and proselytised at, but on reflection, it is only her tutor and HoY who seem to have a problem.
I also thought she might be able to do another subject at GCSE instead if she didn't do this, but as it's only half-time she obviously can't. There are soooooo many GCSEs she wants to take, and is really cross she's limited to 10 (though it may be 11 in the end).
It's interesting. I took O levels in 1973 (I think, long time ago, not entirely sure!), was at a Catholic school run by nuns, and RE wasn't included in our O level choices at all, none of us did it
secrets - very good point actually, never looked at it like that!
sassh I did that hole punching program writing thing too and that was in 1974
cuggles DS had an inspiring RE teacher, also self confessed atheist. Perhaps that's somehow helpful in that you can teach along the lines of "this is what these people believe" without any religious agenda of your own. Different in a faith school perhaps?
Excuse the typos...posting from phone with three yr old wriggling on lap but needed to get that out!
Chloe74...I teach Rs in a state school and am a committed atheist. Perhaps you are a bit out of date or unsure or your facts because, for a start, Buddhism is one of the six major world religions and therefore a key part of any curriculum and I also teach about Scientology, Rastafarianism, Wicca etc as you would it you are teaching about todays's world. I also teach about key people who have changed the world regardless of their religion such as Che Guavara and MLK. The course is very very wide ranging, not Christianity centric, although as a major religion and a big part of understanding the history of this country and indeed the world, of course it gets a good chunk of time and most of relevant to today's world. This is a very positive thread other folks thankyou. Chloe..maybe take a look before you call RS abusive,just so you have a little knowledge behind your posting!
Scurryfunge, we didn't learn how to programme computers at school!
Some of us did. 1 Commodore Pet to a class of 16 with a day trip to the local college to program with punched cards.
In the second year of the O Level we got a second machine with a floppy drive, you had to use one floppy to boot the system and then a second one for your programming.
morality, ethics, debates, essay's etc are all good, so why not have a philosophy class?
Its the religion that is the problem. How much is taught about Mormonism, Scientology, Humanisim, Wicca, Buddhism, Shinto, Pastafarianism, Jedi, creationism etc? when you force them to do a Judo-Christian curriculum its all about state indoctrination for some schools and grade inflation in others.
Religion shouldn't be allowed within a mile of state schools, at best its a waste of time and at worst its abuse.
As an atheist RS teacher this is a very encouraging and positive thread. In my current (private) school RS is an option but in my previous (state) school, we did exactly what the OP is saying, meet the gov requirement and make it worthwhile. Before that, it was compulsory but the kids just couldn't see the point and classes were nightmare. Generally, they do all enjoy it and learn useful debating and essay skills.
I think RE is just the type of subject that should be core to their GCSE choices.It is about philosophy and morality and getting the children to think a bit more creatively and outside the box about issues that affect as individuals and in the wider society too....
DS has started secondary school with an anti-RE stance but from what they've studied so far I can say that I approve and I'm an out-and-out atheist....
I got a GCSE in RE some 35 years ago and it was a lot like English Literature combined with Ancient History. Jolly interesting and quite an academic subject. Glad I did it and still remember much of the discussion about Synoptic Gospels.
I used to go to church 8 times a week in those days though. Funnily enough I just started accidentally going to church 4 times a week after a very long break.
No apology needed secret - it was a good point to check if it was long or short course, just not quite as simple as looking at the number of exams.
glaurung sorry I should have thought about different boards. It was the one hour a week that made me think that it was the same as DS.
I know RE teachers often feel they get a raw deal on lesson time, I know that at DS's school lots of pupils got pulled out of RE to do booster classes in English or Maths close to GCSE time.
secret, several boards do short course RE as one exam and long course as two.
DS1 did RE GCSE. He hates religion and is strictly a born again atheist but loved RE. The philosophy and ethics was a real stimulant to class discussion and debate.
However the full GCSE is normally 4 exams. If they do 2 exams it's probably the short course which counts as half a GCSE.
One hour a week isn't really enough time to do the full course and DS, along with 2 or 3 others chose to do the full course in after school lessons.
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