Need some reading material ref porn.

[Andy1964]

I'm looking for something that I can print off and have someone read that outlines a good argument against pornography.

Your help would be appreciated

Head over to the Feminism and Womens Rights Board.

Exceptional bunch of intellectual women who may be able to point you in the right direction.

BoosterBondageSapphire
Head over to the Feminism and Womens Rights Board.

Here, let me fix that for you

Exceptional bunch of intellectual women who may be able to point you in a direction that not everyone agrees with. A poster called solidgoldbrass has some perspectives on this, different from most ISTR.

Porn comes in all sorts of types; some women watch it; some men watch gay porn (and some women watch lesbian porn I understand.

What matters most is how you feel about it, and why you have to "have someone read" someone else's thoughts.

I dont need you to "Fix" anything for me OneMoreChap.

Thank you very much.

The OP asked for some documentation against pornography, the FWR board has many threads/resources related to that issue.

If the OP had asked for pro porn literature or pro porn opinions then SGB would most certainly have been an ideal place to start as another intelligent,articulate poster who has views which are not anti porn.

but as the OP asked for a good argument against pornography
before jumping down my throat trying to "fix" me - please try to answer the OPs question.

I was - in time honoured MN fashion - asking why the OP was asking that question, and how they felt about it themselves.

Oh, and I wasn't fixing it for you, but rather the OP.

In general from my infrequent forays into FWR, you tend to get one perspective against pornography, largely that it is exploitative of women, and that it reflects the way women are objectified becuause of patriarchal views.

Here (Relationships) you get a more nuanced view, including the above but also respect for partner's feelings, effect on sex life of porn user and partner.

Hence how they felt about it themselves.

Oh, and I wasn't fixing it for you, but rather the OP.

Then I hope he is grateful you fixed his opinion for him.

Just to say Andrea Dworkin's 'pornography' definately is anti- porn but is a useful starting point!

Who will you be using this argument against porn upon OP? Is it a conversation topic that comes around a lot (office banter, for example) or are you planning to have 'a talk' with a younger person before they get into bad habits? I find arguments work best when tailored to the person I'm trying to persuade.

BoosterBondageSapphire
Then I hope he is grateful you fixed his opinion for him.

Oops, sorry OP hadn't realised your gender, hence the indefinite.
Just more than one argument against pornography, and more that one pro.

[[http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2009-pornography-acceptance-crime.html Pornography, Public Acceptance and Sex Related Crime: A Review].

An aspect most don't [men] don't follow, is understanding that, although the top shelf magazines are approved, legislated and taxed by the government. A large proportion of pornography is created by criminal means.

I'll take one quote from the above paper which I think best sums up pornography.

"the work taken as a whole lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value"

(btw: the feminist perspective, is best left to other who know more than I do).

Ok, lets try to help out a bit and be mor specific.

My best friend has just had to have an internet pornography chat with his teenage son after he found he had been watching it.
My eldest is only a year younger and after discovering some 'interesting texts' and 'selfie pictures' I decided it was time to have a chat with him.

It went down well, but I'd like some more 'eloquent' perspective on it so I can have a read, have another discussion and then let him have a read.

Teenage son it will be aimed at

In that case, I'd guess the unrealistic expectations is what I'd be aiming at.

Many years since I had "the chat" with my children and I gather what's online is far "harder" and more accessible than ever , but ISTR making sure that both people enjoy it, and no-one does anything they don't want to come into it. I recall "does that look fun to you for that woman?" being said.

I found that some had been watched by firewall logs on the home network, but that was before mobile devices...

Yeah, that's pretty much the tone I took. unrealistic expectations.

It would be handy for me to have done a bit of research first though but i had to strike while the iron was hot.

Which is why I'm looking for material for us both to read

Then, with respect, I'd take a personal perspective rather than parrot someone else's. They get a lot of the official line from school these days on everything from porn to drugs to smoking and I think, as a Dad, it means more if you give him your take on the subject. Even if it's not that eloquent.

Do NSPCC do some sort of fact sheet/ guideline. a Dworkin a bit much for a teenage boy!

i think you can also go into how sex should be about discovery and finding your own sexuality - not having some greedy capitalist modelling it for you (let alone modelling ugly misogynistic crap and calling it 'sex' for you).

can also look at how pornography use effects people - re: some men become only really aroused by porn and desensitised to real actual sex (rather than watch that object get fucked humiliatingly stimuli). also how porn effects young girls because they can watch it and think oh i'm supposed to enjoy that (re: being fucked in the arse, having a cock shoved so far down your throat you vomit etc) and feel there's something wrong with them and their authentic sexuality and feel they have to emulate enjoying being essentially spat on.

etc.

sorry for graphicness but half the trouble is not talking about it realistically and what it actually depicts.

google 'free porn' click on a couple of sites that come up and just look at the titles on the page you land on. no avoiding the fact that 99% of what comes up on search a simple search is pretty nasty, malecentric stuff where the erotic currency is not sex but power and humiliation.

www.pleasurevsprofit.co.uk might be helpful Andy
It's aimed at teenagers