What do you think of Kumon?

(46 Posts)
mimosa Sun 30-Dec-12 00:14:36

I am looking into the merits of Kumon for my DS (7). He does not seem to be doing awfully well at school, yet I know he has so much potential. The school have told me his reading age is one year behind his chronological age. However, they do not have a plan of action to tackle this.
I wondered if Kumon might help? Has anybody had any experiences of this?
thanks

ReallyTired Tue 01-Jan-13 21:58:18

mimosa I am sorry that you are going through language problems with your son. Rather than correcting speech I was recommended to model speech.

ie,

child: "look dat" (excitely points at cat on the garden wall)
me: "Yes, you are right, there is a black cat on the wall."

Correcting speech can interfere with the child's communication and demoralise them.

We found that practicing the jolly phonics sounds helped with ds's speech.

seeker Mon 31-Dec-12 09:03:46

Workbooks are only useful if it's won't not can't. If it's can't then the frustration on both sides could only be imagined.

mrz Mon 31-Dec-12 08:37:20

No learnandsay you said "Aren't the physical difficulties only a possibility at this point?" which clearly they aren't as the OP has said. What the OP doesn't have is a assessment of those physical difficulties and a programme to correct them so that her son can make progress at school.

lingle Sun 30-Dec-12 22:24:07

Mimosa, it's great that you have the referral to SALT and that on thinking it through you're giving credit to the teacher.

I have lots of experience as user of SALT, though it was in relation to a different aspect of language. In the area where my kids struggled, there were certain techniques that parents could learn to use that we would be told about right from the first visit. But it's really important that any techniques you take up right now are ones that the SALT thinks either may help or definitely won't do any harm.

learnandsay Sun 30-Dec-12 21:20:21

The word I used was diagnosis.

mrz Sun 30-Dec-12 20:07:05

Did you read the posts?

mimosa Sun 30-Dec-12 18:53:05

yes, I am 100% positive that he needs SaLT

DS speech is not very clear, and he cant pronounce certain words. His teacher has said I must just constantly correct him - which I do and have done since he could talk - but still he struggles to make himself understood to some adults when he talks to them (I often have interpret for him- makes me feel really sad for him) So there could be some language processing problem.

LIZS Sun 30-Dec-12 20:05:27

Surely always best to eliminate the obvious before splashing money around unnecessarily. Appointment's can take a while to come through so better to get into the system early and perhaps not need it . A year "behind" at this age isn't necessarily a long term problem anyway.

learnandsay Sun 30-Dec-12 20:03:06

Aren't the physical difficulties only a possibility at this point? I'm looking but I can't see anything definite mentioned. I can see a desire for therapy. But not a diagnosis of any kind.

scrablet Sun 30-Dec-12 19:35:18

You are still saying no plan from school...they have instigated assessment. What plan do you expect before they have the result? The wrong one?

mrz Sun 30-Dec-12 19:11:13

Workbooks won't help a child with physical difficulties learnandsay neither will extra work from the teacher. SaLT will!

learnandsay Sun 30-Dec-12 19:09:11

Workbooks may or may not be the thing to help. But if workbooks don't help after the OP has tried them she will also know that asking the teacher for extra work won't help either. Sometimes parents get lots of tests done too and never get a satisfactory answer.

CaptainNancy Sun 30-Dec-12 18:57:36

Can he tell which sounds begin or end words? E.g. C starting cat, t ending it?
My children mispronounced words, but they most definitely had hearing problems- both had glue ear and needed grommets fitting, but DD would have many days of hearing 'okay' between deaf spells, as mrz says, making it hard to pick up. DS was just stone deaf, somewhat easier to spot!
I also suggest an eye test- short-sightedness is picked up easily, but long-sightedness is far more difficult to spot in small children, and may cause difficulties with interpreting what's on the page.
Ruling out all the physical issues will point school in the right direction if they need to investigate further.

mimosa Sun 30-Dec-12 18:53:05

yes, I am 100% positive that he needs SaLT - I have tried and failed to access SaLT in the past - via GP and Health visitor - but to no avail. To give the teacher credit - she is the only one who has gotten anywhere with SaLT.
He saw audiology x3 times. He doesnt have frequent colds etc, and I am not sure about his ability to build words when he says sounds. He was average - late talker.

I hope I havent left it too late for him. Is it possible that he now has well established speech difficulties that will be difficult to remedy?

mrz Sun 30-Dec-12 18:27:28

Was your son a late talker?
Do you think your son has intermittent hearing difficulties? (audiology doesn't always pick up problems on the day)
does he get frequent head colds/running nose which cause a dip in his hearing for example ?
Does he hear the sounds in words when you say them?
Can he build words when he says the sounds?

The workbooks will only make you both more frustrated ...it does sound as if he needs SaLT input I would focus my efforts there.

mimosa Sun 30-Dec-12 18:12:48

oh dear, do you really think I could be doing more damage than good by doing workbooks at home? This is why I want guidance from the teacher as to what I can do. DS speech is not very clear, and he cant pronounce certain words. His teacher has said I must just constantly correct him - which I do and have done since he could talk - but still he struggles to make himself understood to some adults when he talks to them (I often have interpret for him- makes me feel really sad for him) So there could be some language processing problem.

All I know is that he was recently assessed at school to determine his reading age - and I was told he was one year behind. And that was that - no plan about what we are going to do and no plan to reassess. Hence why I feel more action must be taken - or if I did nothing, then nothing would happen! And DS would continue to be behind.......

mrz Sun 30-Dec-12 17:47:03

The OPs school is doing the sensible thing by investigating physical issues first they aren't letting anyone down. Workbooks from WHS or elsewhere will do more harm than good if there is a language difficulty.

zumo Sun 30-Dec-12 17:42:32

Well said Mrz, its based on two schools, I shouldnt comment on any others but its remarkable how many people we meet who have schooling issues, I think the reality is many schools dont live up to our expectations.
I just feel very strongly about people having to seek other methods when they feel a school is letting them down, are they expection too much or is it the school not performing?
I have my own ideas but as you say its only based on two children and two schools.

mrz Sun 30-Dec-12 17:27:54

but she expressed it so succinctly (and accurately) wink

learnandsay Sun 30-Dec-12 17:24:12

To be fair feenie could have just pointed that out rather than have a good old flame. But some people like flaming I guess.

zumo Sun 30-Dec-12 17:22:42

Yes thats what I should have said

mrz Sun 30-Dec-12 17:21:42

How many or the 250000 primary schools in England is your experience based upon zumo?

learnandsay Sun 30-Dec-12 17:20:10

zumo, then you probably mean most schools in your experience rather than most schools. I hazard a guess that most schools in Britain are out of your experience.

zumo Sun 30-Dec-12 17:12:24

Quote Feenie
We had similar problms as most schools just teach a few of the kids in the class and the rest are just along for the ride.

Ridiculous generalisation. And a load of garbage
Quote
I disagree, its based on our experiance.

scrablet Sun 30-Dec-12 16:18:45

As I said above, sounds like the school do have a plan of action with the referrals. These are not nothing, glad audiology signed off, with my DCs was their eyesight and tracking which was the issue.
Maybe let the school get this sorted first because otherwise, no amount of extra work will help (If that is the issue)
BTW, you are lucky school will do this for you, we were told this might be issue and had to do all research, appts ourselves. Not complaining, just saying...

Feenie Sun 30-Dec-12 13:23:27

Indeedy - you are overstepping the mark, learnandsay.

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