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DS STILL has no friends and is now in year 1...(35 Posts)
But he says he doesn't care so should I be bothered?
The boys have teased him constantly since reception even though the teachers have been very aware and tried to stop it but in the playground it seems to be a bit of a free for all. They seem to gang up and wind him up so now he is starting to lash out (often in retaliation) and is getting in trouble for it. He has a few SEN (speech problems, poor motor skills) which we are getting a lot of help for via school and privately. He seems quite immature and inarticulate compared to other boys his age and to be honest I think it would have been good to hold him back a year as he wasn't really ready for school but it wasn't an option.
He is perfectly happy to play by himself and says he doesn't care that he has no friends and wouldn't be interested in moving to another school or class. He is a bit behind with reading etc but is coming along pretty well and enjoys learning.
I have invited a few boys for play dates but they are rarely reciprocated and he hardly ever gets invited to birthday parties that all the other boys are invited to.
Do I just leave it and let him be considering he is happy as he is?
I don't think ReallyTired's dire prognosis is evidence based.
However your ds is clearly unhappy. Break the problem down - the school need to stop the taunting, he also would benefit from a chance to build friendships (maybe outside of school)
i havent read the whole thread but you must be really worried. have you tried reading books like "how to be a friend" with him? he might just need a little help with the dos and donts. good luck
Oh your poor lad. And poor you.
I don't know if it's been suggested but when there was a little boy in ds1's class who had some SN, the teachers finally implemented a circle of friends system. it involved some class discussion (without him present) and then a rota being set up so that everyone took a turn at being his friend for the day and playing with him.
He's a lovely boy but he was stuck with one particular friend and said friend was finding it a bit much.
The system worked brilliantly and he now has loads of friends in the class. He'swell looked after by them all and they seem willing and ready to understand and accept and accommodate his difficulties.
Maybe this is worth suggesting. I think it's a 'thing' ie a recognised intervention that they should be able to find a lot of resources about if they are committed to helping him.
(clicked on thread as ds2 says he has no friends and no one will play with him - so reading with interest.)
Ds1(17) has ADHD and didn't have any friends in primary school. Unlike your ds he didn't have any problems with the other children and was never shy,
but didn't play with anyone either. I invited children to play and he would 'play' a computer game with them but always seemed quite pleased when they went home. Often invited children would end up playing with ds2. Strangely enough he played with ds2.
Once he went to secondary school he seemed to meet more 'like minded' children to 'socialise' with and over the last few years he has gathered quite a large number of friends, goes out with them and goes to parties. He occasionally brings someone home but that is fairly rare. He gets on well with both girls and boys.
I think the school should try to sort out the bullying though.
I would second what somebody else said and look into after school activities ie beavers etc...
You may find that some of his class mates do it too but in a smaller group he may get on with them better.
DS (yr3) is very shy and beavers has worked wonders,he loves it.
I would definately talk to the teacher too and see what their take on it is.
Yes, please do not "put up". Depends on how strongly you feel, but from what you have said if this was my DS I would be looking at different schools. It's too important not to do anything- not that you haven't but the school don't seem to be delivering..
It sounds to me as if he is being bullied. I'd start looking at other schools because what his current school is trying to do doesn't appear to be working. If your ds was in my dc's school with his SEN issues he would not be experiencing this. Please look at other schools for him.
From experience boys with speech problems quite often play with girls. I don't know if it's because if they notice any differences they just think it is because they're a girl and he's a boy so accept it more - who knows! I'd look at what girls in his class he might get on with and arrange a playdate with them.
I agree. If the teachers know what is going on and they aren't stopping it and providing other options for him at playtime and lunchtime with more supervised play, etc, then they are failing him
However, it does sound like they have identified that he has some SEN's. Have you had a Paediatric Assessment and/or any other assessments done?
Sorry but the school should definitely be doing more to support your son and cracking down on the bullying behaviour. The class teacher needs to persist with addressing these issues using strategies such as Circle Time. If he was a bit older I would suggest a 'Circle of Friends' intervention led by the learning mentor (info on Inclusive Solutions website). I also agree it is worth looking at a managed move to another school if your gut instinct is telling you to do so. Some classes have better dynamics than others and you might find in another school there is a friendlier Year 1 group. I don't believe that he doesn't care if he has no friends..
"winding up" is bullying when it is constant.... It is just not acceptable. If the teachers haven't stopped it, but they know it is going on, they are not trying hard enough - lazy fucks! The other children need to know that it is absolutely not acceptable, Sorry I have a son with dyspraxia ( so unco-ordinated) and has some minor speech issues. We have has a similar thing in the past and it a. Have a huge long term effect. He is now at a school where it is absolutely not acceptable , and he is thriving in every way.
If they are allowing this to carry on they are not doing everything for him socially.
Also DS would have said he was fine and happy, but he wasn't really.
I would ask school about the pals programme. It is Australian but used successfully here. It is a socialisation programme that may help your son (and some of his mean peers!).
You say that you'd like to spend a day observing him.
I think that's a great idea as at the moment you only have your view and a little feedback from your lad and his teachers to go on.
I had concerns over one of mine being shy and not making friends and felt completely different after observing him for a morning.
Ask school if you could sit in class and playground for a day.
If its' a total no, perhaps half a day or each lunchtime for a week. You need to be observing for long enough for him to have forgotten that you are there.
If no possibility then could you orchestrate a session or two ?
I friends from his class regularly go to to a park after school for example you could takre your lad along.
Also could you ask other parents to truthfully tell you what their view of your lad is ? In my experiance lack of party invites and no reciprical playdate invites comes far more from mums not wanting your lad round than from the children themselves. Is is possible that other parents fear having to look after your lad as they think he will be difficult ?
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<<He says he hates everyone in his class and the boys hurt him.>>
He may say he doesn't care and likes to play alone, but their is a difference b/w choosing to play alone and being ostracized. He doesn't sound very happy.
The school should be able to deal w. bullying, including at play times. Of course he'd prefer to play alone than be picked on but that shouldn't be the choice on offer.
I would think carefully about having him moved to another class. Would their be children in his he would miss? Also, if you do decide to wait and see, I'd give yourself a time limit and a plan, if things are not better by ....then I will .....
At that age mY DS socialised very little with his class or any one at school. The others left him alone though and he wasn't teased too much (I think a lot of children, including my DS, are teased quite a bit.) He has improved as the years have gone by, I put this down to 2 things, first his excellent childminder, he has had to get on with a few children there and it has helped and the second is through sport and joining sports clubs. But he rarely gets party invitations and simply doesn't want me to arrange friends to come over, he 10 now by the way and by nature is a bit of a loner. But I think sport is helping a lot as he is happy to go to clubs and is learning to get along well with other kids.
I wouldn't worry too much about lack of friends, but if he wants , I'd encourage activities like beavers and arrange a few play dates. But I wouldn't force it. And yes, I think a word with the school to stop any ganging up, that isn't right and the school should be able to sort it out.
I agree that it sounds like there is a very unpleasant group dynamic going on that the school needs to deal with. However, if you think your ds might benefit from developing his social skills a bit more, it might be worth looking at this book to get some ideas. I think the "Unwritten Rules of Friendship" book someone talked about further up the thread is excellent but the approach might be more suited to a slightly older child. In Year 1 it's probably easier for a child to learn things through play than just through talking about stuff.
I think its encouraging that he gets on with girls and his sister. Getting on with peers is the biggest challenge for a child as they are less forgiving of weak social skills. Older children tend to be forgiving of weak social skills in young children and a child who is younger will also have immature social skills.
The teasing at school definately needs to be addressed.
The fact that you realise that there is a problem is a huge advantage for your child. Your son is still young and there is time for him to learn social skills.
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Thanks ladies. I have been thinking aboutthis overnight. He plays very well with his older sister and is not too bad with friends children (all girls though). He is not good at approaching others although he did try in reception according to the teacher and got shunned. At the end of reception he had a friend for a few weeks but that friend seems to have gone off him now. I think he is happy to be left alone and either the boys in his class just approach him to wind him up or he approaches them badly and they get cross with him. Wish i could spend a day observing him so i could figure it out really. He says he hates everyone in his class and the boys hurt him. The fact is that 30 kids cant all be horrible little buggers. He is hard to make friends with so needs help. School do a lot to help him socialise but it isnt really working
"Your son will be unemployable and depressed as an adult if he cannot learn to get on with people."
Bit of a ridiculous leap there ReallyTired.
And unconditional love and support from primary caregivers are greater determinants of future happiness and success than social skills alone.
He's Y1 - there is plenty of time to help with friendship issues. I was that child at that age and I am far from "unemployable and depressed".
OP, like others have said, continue with the playdates and outside social activities. We got my DS involved with Cubs, which he loves, and it has improved his social skills both inside and outside school. It is important for children to know that school is not the be all and end all of social interaction.
Can we all please remember though that it takes all sorts. Not all children are going to be the life and soul of the party, some are going to be the ones who stand back, assess a situation and warm up slowly. And there's nothing wrong with that.
I would talk to the school about the ganging up. It sounds horrible and this sort off bullying can begin to sap a child's confidence.
Your DS sounds like an independent chap who knows his own mind. Friendships will develop when he's ready.
I moved ds2 in year 1 as he had too small a pool of friends in the school he was in. Tough at the time (especially as I was leaving his elder brother at the school), but neither of us have any regrets. See if you can find him a nicer environment.
Can you get him some social support group or something at school- people have posted about these. He shouldn't have to cope with kids winding him up, not having friends etc. The whole class should be improving their social skills and should be practising being kind/being a friend to others etc. I wouldn't be happy with how things are at school.
Other than that I would just do your best to get him to be comfortable in his own skin (is he? sounds like he is, just not the most extrovert?) and then friendship should follow from this. I think a lot of the friendships that exist in Y1 are pretty flaky anyway tbh. I'm not sure I agree with ReallyTired's post. The school day is long here and not every child in Y1 is suited to playdates after school, or not on a regular basis anyway....
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There are some good social stories on Youtube that you could play to your son.
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