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I found out on Friday that someone from my team at work had been prevented from sending out an email to the office at large, letting them know she was organising the shoebox collection for Operation Christmas child .
She was told that people in the office might be offended to be informed of a Christian charity, doing charitable work. At Christmas.
I am completely appalled; to be honest, had I known about this beforehand I would have sent out an email myself, and let them sack me for it if deemed appropriate. (This the NHS we're talking about).
Why would a non-Christian be offended by this? I am a non-Christian (an atheist) and I see absolutely nothing wrong in it. The organisation, Samaritan's Purse, might be slightly dodgy in some way, i.e. they have a Christian agenda (hardly unreasonable for them)? But this seems to have been a knee-jerk reaction to ensure the non-Christian members of staff were not offended. I obviously don't know them all, but the ones I do would not have given two hoots about this and would probably have been happy to contribute.
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Re nearlythree "Samaritan's Purse, the parent charity, have a shocking reputation (and I say that as a Christian) but OCC themselves are very different"
OCC is entirely owned by SP and SP's accounts show that nearly 20p of every pound of cash (presumably the £2.50+ transport costs donation) raised by OCC goes into SP's general funds.
OCC is entirely owned by SP and SP's accounts show that nearly 20p of every pound of cash (presumably the £2.50+ transport costs donation) raised by OCC goes into SP's general funds.
Unconditional giving - yes that's what I want to do - that's why I want nothing to do with Operation Christmas Child.
'we need to get over our fondness for charity and develop a thirst for justice'
says the guy from the link above
how true
even if we set aside the nasty evangelising, this sort of 'giving' just smacks of making ourselves feel better rather than adressing the causes of poverty. Like he says, support Christian Aid instead.
says the guy from the link above
how true
even if we set aside the nasty evangelising, this sort of 'giving' just smacks of making ourselves feel better rather than adressing the causes of poverty. Like he says, support Christian Aid instead.
> Why can't those people understand the concept of unconditional giving? That's what Christians do - they don't expect anything in return.
According to press reports Franklin Graham, (the leader of this outfit) got $1,200,000 annual salary in return.
According to press reports Franklin Graham, (the leader of this outfit) got $1,200,000 annual salary in return.
> I'm always amazed how many people are so driven by their hatred towards Christianity. It seriously baffles me
What, like the Canon Chancellor of St Paul's Cathedral you mean? www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/10/religion.society
What, like the Canon Chancellor of St Paul's Cathedral you mean? www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/10/religion.society
But is it truly unconditional? Or a tool to assist with conversion?
from SP Oct news
"For our church partners across Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America, the shoe box gifts are a powerful tool for sharing the life-changing message of Jesus Christ.
These tangible expressions of God’s love open doors for local churches to share the true meaning of Christmas—God’s gift of His Son, Jesus.
Along with their shoe box gifts, children are given colorful storybooks that present God’s plan of salvation in their local language.
We provide churches with a 12-part Bible study to teach children about the Gospel, invite them to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and train them to share their faith with family and friends."
from SP Oct news
"For our church partners across Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America, the shoe box gifts are a powerful tool for sharing the life-changing message of Jesus Christ.
These tangible expressions of God’s love open doors for local churches to share the true meaning of Christmas—God’s gift of His Son, Jesus.
Along with their shoe box gifts, children are given colorful storybooks that present God’s plan of salvation in their local language.
We provide churches with a 12-part Bible study to teach children about the Gospel, invite them to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and train them to share their faith with family and friends."
giving out of love without the receiving bit
I'm always amazed how many people are so driven by their hatred towards Christianity. It seriously baffles me.
Why can't those people understand the concept of unconditional giving? That's what Christians do - they don't expect anything in return. These gifts are freely given and no one expects the recipient to do, say or think anything as payment for the gift.
Tit-for-tat is such a secular concept to the point that non-believers think that everyone is like that and can't believe in simple giving out of love with the receiving bit. And this all leads to spreading rumours and lies about the people who are coordinating the programme. There is nothing wrong with sending a book of the true meaning of Christmas with these shoeboxes. It is just another gift.
We don't take part in OCC, personally. We give shoeboxes called Love in a Box, run by Mutard Relief Mission. I imagine there are websites against them too. All they are trying to do is give someone a happier Christmas.
Why can't those people understand the concept of unconditional giving? That's what Christians do - they don't expect anything in return. These gifts are freely given and no one expects the recipient to do, say or think anything as payment for the gift.
Tit-for-tat is such a secular concept to the point that non-believers think that everyone is like that and can't believe in simple giving out of love with the receiving bit. And this all leads to spreading rumours and lies about the people who are coordinating the programme. There is nothing wrong with sending a book of the true meaning of Christmas with these shoeboxes. It is just another gift.
We don't take part in OCC, personally. We give shoeboxes called Love in a Box, run by Mutard Relief Mission. I imagine there are websites against them too. All they are trying to do is give someone a happier Christmas.
SomeGuy,
Great sites. Thanks for the links. Well worth reading. What amazes me is how many schools are still supporting these characters. With all their emphasis on ICT, haven't schools learned how to use Google?
- Amnon
Great sites. Thanks for the links. Well worth reading. What amazes me is how many schools are still supporting these characters. With all their emphasis on ICT, haven't schools learned how to use Google?
- Amnon
UKZoe has only posted on this thread, hmmmm.
Links: pursestrings.ca/ www.humanism.org.uk/humanism/humanism-today/humanists-doing/charities/samaritans-purse
secularderby.org/purse.htm
sites.google.com/site/occalert/
Links: pursestrings.ca/ www.humanism.org.uk/humanism/humanism-today/humanists-doing/charities/samaritans-purse
secularderby.org/purse.htm
sites.google.com/site/occalert/
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