is there any chance that purgatory is not completely horrible?

(101 Posts)
Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 14:43:49

I imagine it is exactly like hell, all fiery torment etc but temporal, with possibility of release at some point, instead of eternal. Please can I be wrong about this?

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 19:37:04

well why pray for the dead then, if there is no purgatory?

AngiBolen Thu 21-Mar-13 20:58:35

Well, if you want to be prepared, never sin and you'll get straight to heaven. grin

They say souls have to be purified before they go to heaven (I get that, you wouldn't want dirty souls in nice clean heaven) and catholic called this purgatory..which was then embellished into something quite dramatic. As a child I was told if you committed suicide you would go to purgatory forever. I imagined people just floated around doing nothing forever, not happy or sad. That now seems like nonsense. grin

Knowsabitabouteducation Thu 21-Mar-13 21:00:52

I think it was Limbo that the RCC randomly abolished. Maybe they will do the same for publicly celibate clergy.

nightlurker Thu 21-Mar-13 21:35:20

After we die, I believe we all end up together as spirits. There are still different religions and beliefs. Some people are happy and others are unhappy or lost as a result of life choices. It doesn't last forever.

After a time, the spirits are reunited with bodies and any that accept Christ inherit a form of heaven. They can accept Christ when they see him, but it is much better to accept him sooner. I believe in degrees of heaven with more righteous people inheriting a higher state of heaven. I am LDS and these are LDS beliefs.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep Thu 21-Mar-13 21:47:24

Sorry, my mistake, Wikipedia-ing shows I did indeed confuse it with limbo.

It's a bit of a weird concept though, isn't it? I mean, if you weren't washed clean by the blood of Christ and all that, while you were alive, what's the point of some sort of afterlife Holloway where you work off your remaining sins?

I think in the olden days, you used to be encouraged to leave money in your will to fund masses and prayers to speed your way through purgatory.
Now, I'm not saying that system is open to corruption or anything, but... hmm

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 21:50:08

but it's not expensive to have a mass said, you don't have to donate if you can't or don't want to?

EllieArroway Thu 21-Mar-13 21:50:35

well why pray for the dead then, if there is no purgatory?

Why would you bother praying at all? If you believe in God, then who do you think invented "purgatory" and chooses to put people there? What difference are the prayers of a few feeble humans supposed to make?

More to the point, if you genuinely believe in purgatory, why would you worship the immoral monster that came up with such a vile idea?

All of this rubbish was invented by superstitious medieval people who had no understanding of reality. We have a better one now, so there's no justification in believing such nonsense.

It's not true, so stop worrying. Really.

Annunziata Thu 21-Mar-13 21:52:59

Ciao cara.

You only get to purgatory if you are going to heaven anyway, so it is not Hell.

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 21:55:14

ok

you sound so much like my friend! I love her logic, I wish I wasn't so superstitious

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 21:55:56

Ciao! Come stai?

easy for you to say, you are Good

Annunziata Thu 21-Mar-13 22:13:24

Pfff, definitely not.

Assai megghiu addivintirai si a la morti pinsirai.

garlicbrunch Thu 21-Mar-13 22:24:56

At my CofE primary school, 1960s, purgatory was a yawning, empty blah where you had to float around regretting all the bad things you'd done. It wasn't fire & pain but - here's the stinger - there'd be no sense of time (or any other senses) so it would feel like you were there for eternity. Once you'd got sorry enough for your errors, you'd be let into heaven. It was remarkably like a cosmic naughty corner wink

Assai megghiu addivintirai si a la morti pinsirai. As an atheist who will simply cease to exist at the end of my life, I agree with that! One of the better tools for deciding what to do with one's life is to imagine what you'll think about it on your last day - and what people will say at your funeral. If they're going to say "She kept a very clean house" and you're going to think "I wish I'd been a sculptor", it's a good sign you need to do less housework and more art classes grin

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:30:54

I think sono d'accordo con tu too ma addivintirai - come addivengo?

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:33:45

anyway even i am good ogni morte di papa

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:35:35

What does it mean then, it is better (to reach?) if we think of death?

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:38:38

our reach improves if we think of death?

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:47:05

I will never know will I sad

Assai like essere? Megghui - meglio, addivintirai - ? and the rest, if one thinks of death (pinsirai - pensare?)

garlicbrunch Thu 21-Mar-13 22:48:17

"You'll be a better person if you think about death."
Sicilian.

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:51:25

thanks smile

do you by any chance know what addivintirai means?

garlicbrunch Thu 21-Mar-13 22:54:34

As I understand it, it's literally "I will arrive at being better if I think about death". I'm no expert, though.

Sicilians are very good at thinking about death. And wine!

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:55:02

oooooh diventare

I get it

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 22:56:32

to become

one becomes better if one thinks of death

garlicbrunch Thu 21-Mar-13 22:59:09

I had to look it up then! Yes, grow or become! And I should have used the second person smile

Mitchy1nge Thu 21-Mar-13 23:00:59

where do you look it up? I'd love a Sicilian dictionary, but thought these things are not really written anywhere

garlicbrunch Thu 21-Mar-13 23:41:51

Professor Google knows everything wink
You might like some of the links from here.

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