Angels to believe or not to believe.

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chubbymomie2012 Wed 16-Jan-13 22:53:04

Today I saw an interview with Lorna Byrne. She believes she can speak to the Angels. i wondered did anyone else see it or have any of you read the book she has written about her life. i am not sure what to think and im very interested in whatbyou guys think please.

myroomisatip Sun 20-Jan-13 22:10:42

tinselahohoho

I will say this,

I dont use my cards when things are going great for me.

Why would I need to?

However, maybe when we are troubled we open ourselves up more. I dont know. Go and get your own pack of angel cards smile Then see what happens smile

I have had some amazing things happen to me that I cannot explain. I only know that they are good things.

headinhands Italy Sun 20-Jan-13 22:24:08

Why would these supernatural beings need 44 pieces of 3X5 card to communicate with you? Can't they just turn up at the dinner table and recite their spiel in English?

expatinscotland Sun 20-Jan-13 22:30:58

In a city of over a million people, I have run into one particular person I met only once in my life the past five times I have been in this place. Five. If he were an angel, I'd take it as a sign of . . . that woo exists. But seriously, it's just a coincidence. It means . . . we both like to shop in the same spots and drink wine in pubs.

seeker Sun 20-Jan-13 22:35:19

At least 50% accurate,eh? What a great hit rate. And I will put money on her scatter gunning and coming up with the name of your mum's best friend that way....Honestly, have a look at Derren Brown's work on cold reading on Utube,- it will really make you think.

tinselahohoho Mon 21-Jan-13 08:08:55

headinhands - exactly.

I'm not closed to things, I'll accept what there is proof of, so if there are angels and they chose to communicate directly with me, I'd be very interested. However, if they need someone on £40 a reading, or a pack of cards to do it for them, I do have a few questions hmm . . .

easylife73 Mon 21-Jan-13 08:32:49

Not getting involved in the debate at all - people will believe or not believe by their own choice - but statistically the odds of one person picking a particular card from a pack of 44 is 1 in 44. The odds of two people picking the same card is surely 1/44 x 1/44, so actually 1 in 1936.

expatinscotland Mon 21-Jan-13 08:34:30

And what are the odds of two random people meeting up in a city of over a million people five times in five months? Maybe he's an angel grin and next time I should hit him up for a reading instead of laughing about running into him so much.

seeker Mon 21-Jan-13 08:57:08

I once made a conscious decision to notice all the coincidences that happened to me in a week. I can't remember how many there were, but there were loads. Including selling three things on EBay and discovering that all three were going to small towns that were very very significant to me.

Oh and the probability thing. It's simply a 1:44 chance. What the other person has chosen does not affect what you choose. So there's a 1:44 chance of you choosing Azrail. And there is a 1:44 chance of your friend picking him too.

So actually not very unlikely at all!

headinhands Italy Mon 21-Jan-13 11:07:23

How did angels communicate with us before we had developed speech? Why are angels in developing counties so crap at their job?

seeker Mon 21-Jan-13 11:32:55

Why are angels always white?

Why don't they step in when somebody is in real danger or distress?

And why are they so incredibly elusive and so rubbish at communicating?

expatinscotland Mon 21-Jan-13 12:34:39

Good questions, seeker. Someone will be along to tell you they can't interfere with the will of God and yadda yadda yadda.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Mon 21-Jan-13 18:56:16

"but statistically the odds of one person picking a particular card from a pack of 44 is 1 in 44. The odds of two people picking the same card is surely 1/44 x 1/44, so actually 1 in 1936."

No, because the card that the first person picks could be any card in the pack. The statistics only apply to the odds of the second person picking that same card out, hence one in 44. Basic statistics.

seeker Mon 21-Jan-13 19:11:04

And what the first person picks out has no effect at all on what the second person picks out. So it's 1:44 for person one, and 1:44 for person two.

Not understanding this is behind a lot of paranormal belief. Coincidences are really really common!

PedroPonyLikesCrisps Mon 21-Jan-13 19:54:04

It's 1 in 44 chance that person one picks a specific card, but in the case of two people simply picking the same card (not a pre-determined card), the probability on person one is 1 in 1 because it doesn't matter which card is picked. The second person then has a 1 in 44 chance of picking that same card, so the odds are (1/1)x(1/44) which is 1/44.

CloudsAndTrees Sun 03-Feb-13 20:36:03

I believe in Angels, but I'm sceptical about the cards. I think they can be used by angels to convey a message if your angel wants to, but I don't believe that every time someone picks up a deck of angel cards that they are automatically going to have angels communicating with them.

Why don't angels step in when somebody is in real danger or distress?

Well, there are lost of accounts from people that believe their lives have been saved by angels, so perhaps there are times that angels step in.

I came close to being in serious danger once, well, I was in serious danger but it could have been a lot worse. Something told me what I had to do to save my life, and I think now it may have been an angel, because I'm not sure how I would have known, or how I would have known how to do it so easily otherwise. I didn't think of angels at the time though, I hadn't really considered angels at all at that point in my life.

headinhands Italy Mon 04-Feb-13 10:38:46

Well, there are lost of accounts from people that believe their lives have been saved by angels, so perhaps there are times that angels step in.

So if personal testimony is as much proof as you need you also need to believe in werewolves, vampires, fairies, the loch ness monster, Yahweh, Allah and alien abductions etc.

I find the modern belief in angels as cute friendly beings with feathery wings to be quite odd.

People have communicated with angels throughout history - google John Dee and Edward Kelley for some fascinating stuff. But prior to the cute Bottticelli beings, angels were considered pretty scary messengers of the Gods and elaborate ceremonies had to be carried out in order to communicate with them. Angels spoke a language called "Enochian" which Kelley used to tell Dee that God wanted them to share their wives - nuff said!

I'd find it surprising that angels suddenly got to the 21st century and decided to start speaking through cards and new-age tat instead?

Anyway, I do believe in angelic forces, i.e. some sort of force that aids communication between us and the Divine, but not as cute feathery personal guardians?

PigletJohn Mon 04-Feb-13 15:39:59

if they're imaginary, then there is surely no problem at all. People just imagine whatever they like, with some influence from imaginary sightings they've heard from other people.

Titchyboomboom Sun 24-Feb-13 07:49:30

I believe in angels and often ask to see mine and am always greeted by a white feather. My mum also finds white feathers in her house

I have no idea if angels exist or not. I do talk to my dead gran quite a lot and like seeker I smile whenever I see her favourite bird - a song thrush. We have one that comes in the garden sometimes and it does make me feel better.

She also seems quite helpful when I ask her to help me find my keys grin

seeker Sun 24-Feb-13 08:04:34

"My mum also finds white feathers in her house"

She needs new pillows.

IndigoBarbie Wed 27-Feb-13 21:09:07

seeker, what exactly is it that attracts you to these threads?

seeker Wed 27-Feb-13 22:43:27

I don't like people being encouraged to believe nonsense. The white feather thing is particular nonsense-the are always white feathers everywhere

IndigoBarbie Wed 27-Feb-13 22:53:29

Seeker, using my own personal experiences as a reference point the 'white feather thing' is not nonsense. However, I can understand where you are coming from. I even make jokes about the white feather thing, and I explain it in a way that might help others understand what might be going on.

If you are no longer part of the physical world (or in the case of angels you didn't have a body anyway), then you don't really have a mobile anymore to text your loved ones, therefore you have to be so much more creative to get the message through. I know how crazy it actually sounds, but I only speak the truth of my own experiences, and I never encourage people to believe me - I always advise people to go with what resonates with them, no matter what someone elses says.

What if you were to consistently find black feathers? Would that mean that my pillow was full of black feathers? Each of us has our own perceptions of what is going on, I do believe though that any form of 'attachment' to receiving the signs from the other side is where it perhaps borders on dependency, and can be looked upon in a different manner.

seeker Wed 27-Feb-13 22:56:06

But I wouldn't consistently find black feathers, would I? Because pillows, coats, duvets and cushions are not stuffed with black feathers. Because the under feathers of pigeons are not black.

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