to be upset with Nursery for letting my 18 month old play out in this weather when she's been in hospital 3 times this year with pneumonia and breathing difficulties

[designergirl]

I just went to pick my daughter up, it's really windy, cold and starting to rain and she was playing outside as were all the other children her age. She has been in hospital 3 times this year with pneumonia and breathing difficulties, in February,July and September. I wouldn't let her play out in this weather at home and I was so upset with the staff that I shouted at them. I wrote in her book that she has a hat, mittens and scarf but she didn't have any of them on, and I saw her fall over. I think the wind blew her over but she might have just fallen over.Am I being unreasonable?
I know OFSTED require them to play outside and generally I don't mind her playing out. I just think it's a bit lacking in common sense to let her play out in this awful weather. The wind is so strong it's just blown an empty hanging basket all the way down our street.

[NickNacks]

Hmm didn't you post this the other day?

And I'm guessing you didn't like the responses??

[missymoomoomee]

You posted this the other day and were told you were in the wrong. What are you hoping for here? You clearly think you are right so why do you care what anyone else thinks?

[Sirzy]

You are still being as unreasonable as you were last time you asked!

Children still benefit from fresh air!

[QuietNinjaTardis]

I have no idea about your other thread but I wouldn't really want my ds playing out in this weather and I'd be a bit about it. I wouldn't shout though. Maybe if he'd been in hospital 3 times I would have though. I'm all for playing outside but it's been really nasty the last couple of days.

[ilikefestivitea]

I reckon you need something other than nursery for childcare. I would be seriously pissed of if dd was stopped from playing outside because one parent made a fuss. I chose a nursery because the children had free flow to the garden in all weathers (with appropriate clothing). Are all.the other children meant to be kept inside all winter because of your dd.

Also, no one should be.shouted at when they are working - hope the manager has serious words with.you.about shouting at staff when there are children around.

[madwomanintheattic]

Afaik wind isn't generally implicated in pneumonia.

I know when dd2 kept ending up with it, it was a reet pita, but it didn't occur to me that wind that the cause. Or rain.

Nope, when ds1 ended up with double pneumonia, it was c/o rsv (that was a bitch). Of all of the times dd2 did, it was usually either aspiration or actual honest to goodness germs picked up presumably from other kids she was at nursery with.

I hear cotton wool might be on special, though. You should be able to pick up enough of it to make a comfy nest to hide her in until July?

I do feel for you. It's awful when they are little. And some kids are just more receptive to bugs and the like.

If it's recurrent, have they checked her swallow? Is she having choking episodes? Quite often aspiration can be silent as well.

Weather has feck all to do with it. I live in Canada. Even in kindergarten they have outdoor play down to -20.

[exoticfruits]

I didn't see the other one but I would have thought it was good for all DCs if appropriately dressed.

[SamSmalaidh]

Did you tell them that she wasn't allowed outside today?

To be honest, so long as she was dressed appropriately then she should be fine. As for the hat etc, is she able to put those on herself or ask for them? With the best will in the world, if the staff are trying to get 20+ children in and out it is hard to ensure everyone has their mittens on.

[exoticfruits]

Shouting at staff is not a good idea if you want to be taken seriously.

[SamSmalaidh]

Ah, just seen she is only 18 months rather than a 3 year old - in that case she should be in a 1:3 ratio and staff should have ensured her hat, scarf and mittens were on. Having a meeting with her keyworker/manager about that is probably the way to go.

[catkind]

Have you asked nursery to keep her in? Though think they'd be within their rights to say if she's not well enough to play outside she should be at home. But e.g. they might be able to put her with another age group for the time her group are outdoors. Unless you tell them they won't know you don't want her out.
They should have put her hat on though.

[Floggingmolly]

Doesn't Ofsted require nursery children to have constant access to outside play? All part of the child led learning initiative. I doubt very much the wind blew her over, and fresh air, cold as it may be doesn't cause illness.
Ywbvu to shout at the nursery staff.

[drcrab]

Hm. I get what you are saying. I don't think you should have shouted at them but I think you need to make it clear that you didn't want your child outside whilst ill. So her key worker could have stayed indoors with child and other children and do puzzles or read a book or something. Not all children would want to go out in the rain/cold. I know my child wouldn't and she's 2. They are given free flow play which means yes you can go out. But equally they can stay in.

[Sirzy]

There is nothing in the OP to suggest the child is ill now though. She last was ill in September according to the OP so at least 6 weeks back.

[EscapeInTheCity]

Actually recent studies have shown that being cold lowers the immune system so makes the person more likely to get a cold.....

Apart from that, if the nursery has been informed of her illnesses and they have been told she needs to get put with hat, scarf etc... and they also know you do not want her to be cold (so they need to be able to take her inside even though other children are still outside), then YANBU.

I have to say, I am about ofsted and the idea that children should have free access t outside. When children arrive in nursery/primary school, no one send children outside when it's raining.

[HandMini]

I think the nursery was wrong to have them playing outside today without making sure they were properly bundled up (and stayed properly bundled up...18 month olds are forever pulling their hats off etc, nursery should keep an eye on that).

I don't think the nursery was wrong to have them playing outside as a matter of policy even if cold / snowy / rainy etc.

[EscapeInTheCity]

I also get why you would be careful with a child who has been ill like this 3 times in less than a year.
I would assume her immune system is down for some reasons and woud want to take more precautions than for a child who never gets ill.

[wewereherefirst]

YABU. You shouted at the staff so you're totally unreasonable and irrational. It's wind,Iif its strong enough to knock a child down then there must be a lot of major damage in your area.

Fresh air is better than being couped up indoors with all the snot and germs that actually cause illnesses

[drcrab]

Clearly her immunity is low if she's been so ill three times already. So being cold will make her more vulnerable.

[Sirzy]

being couped up inside is worse for immunity.

It may have been windy but its not particularly cold. There is no reason a child shouldn't be outside with a coat on.

[missymoomoomee]

You forgot to mention that you sent her in with a hat and mittens and didn't tell the staff not to let her play outside.

[designergirl]

Thank you. I didn't repost because I didn't like the answers. I just posted in another forum to see what other people thought. I don't get why you are being so nasty, my child nearly died. I have 4 children. They all play outside in all weathers and have done since Nursery. My youngest has been very ill. I want to make sure she doesn't get that ill again. She's under the care of a consultant and the Respiratory Community Nurses. Sarcastic remarks about cotton wool is not helpful at all.

[CindySherman]

I would have been furious she was not wrapped up. I see your point completely. Pneumonia is very serious.

[missymoomoomee]

You should have specified her needs to the nursery staff then. They aren't mind readers.

[Sirzy]

You are still over reacting.

I know its scary to see your child so ill, I really do I have been there more than once. But keeping her indoors won't stop her from getting ill.

You are trying to wrap her in cotton wool (understandably) but that won't help her at all. You need to work with the nursery to make sure she is kept safe while not making her seem different to her peers.

There is no reason she can't play out when her peers do. If she is well enough to be in nursery she is well enough to join in.