Television at nursery

(32 Posts)
tiger66 Fri 12-Oct-12 11:49:13

Just wandering what the thought are about television at nursery? I have my own views and am just wandering if they are the views of others or if I'm being a stuffy mother!

Agree with what tiggy says too. But maybe DD at 20mo is far too young to actually sit in front of the tv for too long. I found 20min is about the limit and she would start wandering away. (I get about 20min to cook as a result)!

Like crak I'm ok if it's during pick up time on a rainy day. On sunny days they should be playing in the garden. Otherwise during the day, it's not acceptable rain or shine.

TiggyD Sun 11-Nov-12 11:16:48

I did an experiment at one of my nurseries once. We had a TV that we sometimes watched, mainly for Something Special as we had no children with obvious Learning Difficulties and we wanted to bring up the subject with the children. I wondered what would happen if I just put on the TV on Cbeebees and left it playing away in the corner. The result was all the children watched it for about 20 minutes then started wandering away. After about 45 minutes there was nobody watching it. Occasionally one or two children would wonder over and watch 5 minutes of TV then go.
If it's offered as one activity along with sand, drawing, construction etc, like any other activity, children would usually choose to do something where they could get involved. Why watch other people do stuff when you can do it yourself?
I think TV can be used as part of a good nursery. Not in the way most nurseries use it though. A well picked programme (Off of you tube or other computer source) can be used to reinforce the children's learning, or to stimulate it and direct it. Just been on a trip to a zoo? A little programme about zoo animals would be good to link in with the trip. The children have found a frog in the garden. As well as finding a book about it why not watch an explanation of it's life cycle?
It's what you do with it that counts.

mindyourhead Sat 10-Nov-12 22:03:41

Ds' old preschool had a tv and they had an outstanding offsets. He went there for 1 afternoon a week when he was 2 and I never knew they had a tv until we went for a few trial mornings ready for when he was supposed to do 5 mornings after turning 3. I thought it might be a one off the first day but when I saw it on 3 days in a row I chose a different nursery for his funded hours x

tiger66 Sat 10-Nov-12 21:47:40

Their latest comment was that they were overstaffed - my question then is if that's the case - why the are you watching telly!
Unfortunately struggling to find an alternative childcare provider that can provide the days I need!

morethanmama Thu 08-Nov-12 12:05:21

I moved my daughter because of tv. It's plain lazy and used when understaffed to enable tidy up etc.

tiger66 Thu 08-Nov-12 11:54:45

Thanks all, my views by a lot of you but nice to know that I am not alone. Not surprisingly they have stopped watching television. There are a few issues that I have started to unearth so I shall seriously be looking into moving somewhere else. Thanks for all your advice

I have worked as a childminder and as a nursery nurse. I've only ever worked in one nursery that had a TV and it was the shittiest nursery ever! Lazy staff, lazy incompetent manager, lack of resources (you couldn't tell this on the surface, lots of toys out), lack of holding the child:adult ratios - shit shit shit. I quit.

TV has it's place in a home environment but IMO has no place in a private nursery. Like another poster has said if children need some quiet time read a story, put a tape on, play sleeping fishes.

Indith Wed 24-Oct-12 08:16:29

Mind you I don't think TV is all bad, especially in a private day nursery where children are doing long days. Ds1 went to one while I was finishing my degree and the last bit of the day around pick up time was always something the children could dip in and out of so sometimes songs and dancing biut sometimes a bit of TV. That was fine by me.

Indith Wed 24-Oct-12 08:14:32

There were so many kinds of wrong with that nursery. I didn't send ds1 there for his 15 hours but when dd turned 3 I was doing the school run (to a different school in the village with no preschool) so it made sense to drop her there on the way. Yeah well, I prefer to drive her to another village for a good nursery! They watched Tangled once, just randomly. Ok so they were doing fairy tales but still, the whole of Tangled? As part of a 3 hour session?

notcitrus Tue 23-Oct-12 23:50:53

There's no TV at ds's nursery which I like. But dn's Surestart nursery showed them Peppa Pig every day - apparently after 5.30 as a winding down thing. SIL wasn't too happy but couldn't use any other nursery.

Runningblue Tue 23-Oct-12 23:14:10

DS is 3. As a very very special treat they might watch one 'something special' which underpins the makaton sign language the whole nursery is very keen on, or perhaps one episode of bob the builder or firean Sam if it's very bad weather and the kids can't get outside.
But it's never more than that, and I am happy at that level. To me, nursery is also a home from home, so DS is just having a little bit of relax and comfort, in the same way we might do at home and much less tv than at home
If it was on each day or for long periods- Blimey indith! - I would be complaining and moving him sharpish.

LonelyCloud Tue 23-Oct-12 22:58:42

SamSmalaidh - The private nursery DS attends has a manager who deals with most of the paperwork. Not sure how much paperwork the nursery nurses have to do on top of that, but there's no TV in the nursery, so they must manage somehow.

Yika Tue 23-Oct-12 22:48:40

I would find tv in a nursery totally unacceptable. Its not recommended that children under 3 spend any time at all in front of a screen. needless to say I occasionally put the tv on for my 2 yo at home after a tiring day but I would not find it ok in a nursery.

crackcrackcrak Tue 23-Oct-12 22:48:12

Dd1 is at a Montessori which I'm really happy with. They have structure until the last hour or so of the day when kids are leaving. In the summer they stay in the garden but now it's cold they all stay in the big room and have a DVD on. It's often Dora the explorer or bob the builder etc. it's not live tv per SE. I'm fine with it but I wouldn't want it increased.

Fluffanstuff Tue 23-Oct-12 22:41:06

Very concerning IMO glad you moved her , I'm sure the TV's go away as soon as ofsted step through the door. I worked in a outstanding pre-school , we had 60 kids on role , 30 am 30 pm. We all did our paperwork out of hours for free ..SHOCK HORROR ! We just wouldn't consider , and wouldn't have been allowed by management to use a tv , especially not for things like Cbeebies etc. We had 3 hour sessions as well as extended hours for funded children (social services referrals etc.) There are so many pieces of paperwork and guidelines that say the children come first whilst they are there. Personally I would , and I know the team I worked with at the time (all 6 of them) would rather stay behind for an hour for free , and give the children good quality care.

I think in schools a special video at the end of term when everyone has had enough and they arn't going to take anything from having a structured lesson is fine. Lets face it a week before christmas they have had so much going on , as have the teachers a bit of chill time is perfectly acceptable .

A lot of it is down to what pre-schools and nurseries get told by the LEA advisors , I know my borough pretty much have a "we wouldnt condone it " attitude ... not that we listened to everything they say , sometimes they produce more shit than a cow farm.

Indith Tue 23-Oct-12 20:25:51

Nope. Dd was at the local preschool for 5 mornings and the children were always in front of the TV when I picked her up. The sessions were only 3 hours long how could they need TV? I now send her to a private nursery for her 15 hours.

SamSmalaidh Tue 23-Oct-12 20:24:59

I think lots of private nurseries do use the TV so staff can get on with other stuff such as cleaning and paperwork, as they don't often have the budgets to employ cleaners and give staff non-contact time for planning.

LonelyCloud Tue 23-Oct-12 20:22:40

Agree with Fluffanstuff.

I know most of us have put kids in front of CBBC or suchlike at some point when needing to get stuff done at home, but I would hope that the nursery staff don't have to be putting kids in front of a TV so they can get on with other nursery jobs.

There's also research out there that suggests that TV for very young children can be harmful.

article from the guardian

Fluffanstuff Tue 23-Oct-12 19:05:12

I Just dont get what the benefit of having a tv in the setting would be . Perhaps with older children at school to enhance a topic like Littlefish suggested. I have to say im on the london outskirts and none of my local settings have a tv and I work borough wide.

Stangirl Mon 22-Oct-12 19:54:50

Must be different in London. I have visited around about 20 nurseries and every one had a TV. Never even thought it was odd.

Fluffanstuff Sun 21-Oct-12 10:14:16

Apart from that I wander whether these settings with TV'S have the right licenses to show films to a group and if they don't I wander if they would change their minds when they realise they have to pay for one !!

Fluffanstuff Sun 21-Oct-12 10:12:39

I think holiday clubs are different at the end of the day if a child was at home over the holiday the likely hood is they would probably watch a movie for a treat at some point over the week . I feel nurserys should be a homely enviroment for children who spend a long time there for instance we have a big cuddly sofa in my setting for sitting on for stories.

As part of the EYFS (early years curriculum) there used to be a section dedicated to the use of IT so I would expect some use of IT equipment. Animated stories I feel are different , they normally are for popular childrens books and the likely hood is the setting has the story and I would probably use it as a visual representation to enforce the story. It is also quite difficult finding computer programmes that a child of 2,3,4 are able to use properly so I find have an animated story on the computer , which the child can control the volume on the speakers , just about press the play button with the mouse a good introduction to the world of computers.

SamSmalaidh Sat 20-Oct-12 22:21:20

At DS's nursery the holiday club often have a movie afternoon on the last Friday of the holidays - they have a Disney film on with popcorn etc for the children who want to watch.

They also have touch-screen computers in all the rooms and sometimes they watch something on them - eg. an animated story.

LonelyCloud Sat 20-Oct-12 22:16:49

I would be surprised to see a nursery with a TV for the kids.

None of the ones I looked at for DS had a TV - and if they'd had one, I wouldn't have considered it as an option for DS. There's plenty of other stuff for the kids to be doing at nursery.

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