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The Russell Brand vs Ed Miliband ‘fireside’ interview clip.

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Isitmebut · 29/04/2015 12:10

So far the only issue we have seen raised from this meeting/debate, is Mr Brand’s enquiry on HOW a UK Prime Minister can stop international companies (and the wealthy) shielding their tax liabilities to individual countries like the UK – and Mr Miliband’s answer is that it would take international co operation - but I guess the clip ends BEFORE Mr Miliband tells Mr Brand, it is already happening.

October 2014; “Noose tightens around global tax evasion as OECD countries sign new agreement”
www.cityam.com/1414597567/noose-tightens-around-global-tax-evasion-oecd-countries-sign-new-agreement

“The OECD just took a step closer to fighting tax evasion on a global scale, with 51 territories agreeing to create “information exchanges” that will help track culprits down.”

"The first signatories to the dull-sounding "multilateral competent authority agreement" – which include the UK and Ireland – will launch their information exchanges by September 2017. Others will follow in 2018."

Thomson Reuters Participated in; ”G8 ‘Open for Growth’ Event hosted by UK Prime Minister”
tax.thomsonreuters.com/media-resources/g8-open-for-growth-event/
London: June 17, 2013 – "Thomson Reuters participated in an event hosted by Prime Minister David Cameron on transparency, tax, and trade – the three topics central to this year’s G8 Summit."

"The event, themed ‘Open for Growth’, was held Saturday (June 15) in London as a lead-up to the G8 Summit beginning in Northern Ireland today."

"Over 150 leaders were invited to the event, including government ministers and senior representatives from the private sector and international organisations. The objective of the June 15 event was to create political momentum and stimulate public interest and debate around trade, tax, transparency and related topics."

May 2014: “HMRC crackdown yields record £23.9bn in additional tax”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27576626

”The government has raised a record £23.9bn in additional tax for the year to the end of March as a result of a crackdown on tax avoidance.”

”HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) said it had secured the money - the highest amount since records began - as a result of its investigations.”

Maybe if Russell took the time to get off his soapbox and investigated what is already being done to stop the company tax evasion facts, his advice to vote for who in the UK is leading the world in tackling his main gripes, might be somewhat different to a ‘no vote’, or spoiled ballot paper.

Then again, maybe not.

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MyBeloved · 29/04/2015 12:47

Russell Brand and Ed Milliband - both arseholes.

Isitmebut · 29/04/2015 15:30

I've just seen the second clip;

An anti 'vested interest' Mr Brand is complaining about the Tories and big business, to a Mr Miliband, personally elected, his office and election campaign directly funded by, the more militant trade unions - insisting Miliband ceases any business representation/directorships in parliament to air THEIR opinions to the law makers.

No 'vested interest' baggage around Mr Miliband then. lol

I smell a final clip Russell Brand 'he's the geezer' Miliband publicity endorsement.

Any (sportsman) bets against?

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sourdrawers · 29/04/2015 18:16

You're not a junior, Conservative party press officer are you by any chance? Just considering the threads you start.

GandalfsOtherHat · 29/04/2015 18:25

Was just about to post the same Sour!! A bit obvious OP!

Redlocks28 · 29/04/2015 21:07

Ha ha-yes, my thoughts exactly, sour!

Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 10:49

Sourdrawers .. if I had a £1 for every time someone on this board asked me a similar question over the past several months daring to question Labour's motives dodgy motives, rather than contribute to the post - I'd be a wealthy bunny.

What do you disagree with, and are you waiting to take the bet on? lol

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sourdrawers · 30/04/2015 11:13

Well here's another one who won't be contributing...It's a genuine question, baring in mind the rather goady, right-wing tone of the threads you start as well as the fact that very few people seem to want to engage with you. So I'm afraid you'll be just mainly just talking to yourself again here.

BishopBrennansArse · 30/04/2015 11:31

How OTT do you want to get, OP?

Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 11:43

Go for it sweet cheeks.

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Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 11:47

It was one anti business trot versus another, who has disingenuously forgot his party's 13-year record in power - and offering the people 2015 smoke and mirror policies as STILL doesn't have any more of a clue how to grow a private sector led economy than he did in 2010.

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Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 11:54

Does Russell ask his 'mate', just WHY did a Labour government lower the real millionaires tax Capital Gains Tax to a tapered low of 10% - and then put up the 40p tax rate after 12-years and 11 months in power, and then accuse the Conservatives of lowering 'the millionaires tax'?

Even Russell should see how slippery that was.

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Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 12:02

Does Russell ask his 'mate', as the last labour Energy Minister, why did you leave the UK in a lack of nuclear energy crisis in 2010, when the lights could have gone off at the first major winter - and yet having left a government £157 billion annual overspend, now for (expensive) votes, want to discourage power companies being here, never mind providing investment in the £120 bil he was relying on them spending to build the things?

Even Russell and his 'matey' candles needs power sometimes.

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Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 12:15

Does Russell ask his 'mate', why did the non toffs that got us into this mess, charge the wealthy LESS in tax, than the toffs who have the brains to get us out of YOUR 2010 mess?

Feb 2015: ”Britain's highest earners pay a quarter of nation's income tax”

“New figures published by HMRC show that the proportion of the nation's tax bill paid by the richest has risen under the Coalition”

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11411790/Britains-highest-earners-pay-a-quarter-of-nations-income-tax.html
“Britain's highest earners pay more than a quarter of the country’s entire income tax bill, more than when the Coalition came to power.”

“Nearly 300,000 taxpayers are forecast to contribute the equivalent of £45.9? billion in income tax between them by the end of this year, equivalent to £150,000 each. The amount they have paid has risen from 25 per cent of the nation’s tax bill when Labour came to power to 27.3 per cent this year.”

“The figures will be welcomed by the Conservatives, after repeated accusations from Labour that the party has given tax breaks to the rich.”

“They also suggest that the Coalition’s decision to cut the top rate of tax from 50p to 45p has increased revenues.”

OTT enough yet, 'Bish'?

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GentlyBenevolent · 30/04/2015 12:15

Sorry, the use of the word 'Trot' is a dead give away. Sweet cheeks.

Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 12:24

P.S. Have you worked out, I throw little wobblers when little socialist gangs are trying to bully/close down free (factual) speech - I had enough of that for 13-years e.g. when even the talk of immigration numbers vs pressures on services, was 'racist'.

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Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 12:28

GentlyBenevolent ... looking at Miliband's lurch to 1970 type policies and listening to them both speak, was 'Trot' (with a small 't') a 'kin secret? Guffaw.

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Oswin · 30/04/2015 12:31

Its the way you write Isitme. Its hard to read. You come across as hating labour while not questioning anything the torys have done.

BishopBrennansArse · 30/04/2015 12:36

It's also coming across as a ranty diatribe.

Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 12:42

"A dead give away" huh .... FYI I am nearly 60-years old, born to a inner London council estate and shitty comprehensive school, but I LIVED through the 1970's as a young adult, and I have never seen such despair of our future on the streets before, or since.

Were you there during 'The Winter of Discontent'' of 1979 when the trade unions took on Labour as after the IMF was called in to bail the UK out financially, they couldn't keep paying them what they wanted?

”We came close to losing our democracy in 1979”

”Douglas Eden reveals the extraordinary penetration of the 1970s Labour movement by pro-Soviet trade unionists and the extent of Callaghan’s toleration of the hard Left”
www.spectator.co.uk/features/3665728/we-came-close-to-losing-our-democracy-in-1979/

So I have been a Conservative since, with noooooo apology, and this will be the first election that I remember, that a Labour/Trade Union/SNP threatens to take us somewhere close to those anti business days.

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BreakWindandFire · 30/04/2015 12:45

little socialist gangs are trying to bully/close down free (factual) speech

I think you are confusing 'people disagreeing with me' to 'the State is preventing me from speaking'

Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 12:49

Oswin .... I like all should 'question' the party I believe in, but like most, I look at the overall policy direction of travel and the condition of the country when they leave power.

Which Conservative policy would you like me TO question - bearing in mind whether 1979 or 2010, Labour left an economic and social train crash - so a party spending money we haven't got, will always be more popular than one taking away the overspend/debt punch bowl?

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Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 12:54

Bish ... "It's also coming across as a ranty diatribe."

As opposed to the more 'interesting' accusations of being some party activist, just because someone questions a Labour policy?

It really makes me larf, you can hear Miliband factually lie to the citizens in every speech, but if some one sees through/questions it, they MUST belong to Tory Head office. lol

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BishopBrennansArse · 30/04/2015 14:29

Yes. People think you're a Tory plant. That's because of your tone and manner.

I don't necessarily think that by the way, others in the thread said that.

You're not the only one fangirling over right wing parties. There's not even an election needed usually.

Isitmebut · 30/04/2015 15:21

BishopBrennan … as I’ll give you the ‘touching of the cloth’ benefit of the doubt, I shall ‘confess’.

I can guarantee you not one Conservative knows who I am, and have numerous even sworn of my children’s lives that I have never been a Conservative Member, I have never been paid by the Conservatives, and the only ‘work’ I have done for them was one election delivering leaflets, in a marginal constituency I had just moved to, held by Labour.

Having to k-e-e-p saying it, gets ones goat up, so I apologise if over reacted.

My ‘tone and manner’ may be for several reasons;

A humble non academic ‘street smart’ background, a sense of humour that has got me in trouble for many years, having had a job for many years meeting senior people far brighter than me (so I read the F.T. cover to cover every day to help for 20-years, seriously) so I had to be accurate/confident of my facts in presentations – and finally, I get very frustrated as the Conservatives in elections, always playing by the Marquis of Queensbury rules, rather than the Lord of Prescott Towers, type rules.

What does that mean; well just listening to Labour literally offering mistruths daily, often ideological, really gets that goat going, as by and large, Conservative MPs are not built that way, so when say, Andy Burnham accuses the Conservatives to their face, of NHS privatisation, when the FACTS show Labour’s record from the 2000 Health Act to PFI was far worse – if that was me, I’d reach over, grab him by the goolies and give them a good slap, at the very least.

The truth is, like Gordon Brown’s ‘prudence’ mantra , Labour knows that if they tell a lie often enough to people who don’t give a rats arse about the facts, as every previous generation since John Wayne became a cowboy has voted Labour no matter what – so needs some new red meat to forget Labour’s past records in power, so the lie ‘sticks’.

Now take the Conservative mantra, that ‘kin long term economic plan what a sticky catch phrase That is, NOT.

Can anyone argue its a mis-truth, that there wasn’t a plan, as there was, similar to every other Conservative plan for 30 years - ‘the State should be as big/expensive as it needs to be, citizens should keep as much of their own earnings as possible, we need to pay our way in the world…yada yada yada’

So while one main party generally plays fair, from my long knowledge of politics, policies and markets, I can see the other either lying through their teeth, or genuinely forgetful of their own record – which is kinda worse, so I'm looking to add 'balance'.

So that’s me ‘exposed’ Bish, am I forgiven? lol

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Spinflight · 02/05/2015 03:37

I think he works for labour. Kind of a tethered goat, parodying a posh but dim tory.