Philpott Case

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SameDifference Wed 13-Feb-13 18:12:34

Listening to the Philpott case on the news. What a crazy life. Poor kids. And poor women.

Auntmaud Sat 16-Feb-13 19:41:03

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BinarySolo Sat 16-Feb-13 19:20:57

Don't forget, AuntMaud this was a plan to get custody of the other kids. Special kind of stupid.

Auntmaud Sat 16-Feb-13 19:01:09

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Auntmaud Sat 16-Feb-13 18:59:32

Or worse, co operate.

AnAirOfHope Sat 16-Feb-13 14:57:03

If someone wanted to set fire to my home with my kids in it I would tell the police and get help not stand by and do nothing.

edam Sat 16-Feb-13 09:00:49

Of course women can be bad of their own accord. But the girlfriend who escaped with her kids testifies that Philpott was abusive and the prosecution case is he set the fire to beat her in a custody battle, which is certainly the action of a bullying, controlling, angry man.

I think if you look at the stats, it's far more common for a woman to act under the control of an abusive man that for a woman who is in a relationship with a man to be the prime mover. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's not the most frequent situation.

I have no doubt they will Jake, I dont believe we`ll ever know who instigated the fire that night, or whether they came up with the idea together.

JakeBullet Fri 15-Feb-13 15:40:11

I wonder if they will eventually all start blaming one another....all those different defence teams are bound to be just looking out for their client.

JakeBullet Fri 15-Feb-13 15:36:10

Oh I would not discount that at all AuntMaud, a woman can do bad thibgs no matter what the circumstances. ....just consider Rose West. Lots of information out there which alleges SHE was the abusive one in the marriage altnough they both did horrendous things.

Evidence does suggest though that for people who have grown up in abusive backgrounds the risks of following suit are higher than in those who have a "normal" background. Loads of information now lookibg at brain development in children and later outcomes.

I think in this case he sounds an abusive and controlling man but that doesn't mean his wife can just say "he abused me" if she knew and willingly took part in this.

Auntmaud Fri 15-Feb-13 15:22:21

I dunno, I get very uncomfortable with the assumption that a woman is always victim to a man if she does vile things, that it's because she is under his control.

Maybe Mrs Philpott is as calculating, as nasty and as thoroughly repulsive an individual as her husband allegedly is?
Why is that not a possibility? Why must women be excused and patronised by always assuming she is weak and controlled and vulnerable? Why can't she simply be a piece of evil shit like he is?

ChazDingle Fri 15-Feb-13 14:40:13

on derby evening telegraph site where i've been following the story it listed all their barristers and they all have different, so presumably different lawyers too

hackmum Fri 15-Feb-13 09:55:16

AnAirOfHope: "The abuse allagations could be a defences ploy."

Only if the wife and husband have different defence lawyers. If they share the same lawyer, then it wouldn't make any sense for the defence to be telling people that Mick Philpott abused his wife.

JakeBullet Fri 15-Feb-13 09:28:23

Absolutely. ...it's horrific. I do suspect that abuse will play a part somewhere but to recklessly start a fire kbowing there are children in the house is indefensible really. No matter that you might not have intended for them to die sad

AnAirOfHope Fri 15-Feb-13 08:56:40

The abuse allagations could be a defences ploy.

An adult knows no good will come from setting your home on fire with sleeping children in it!

JakeBullet Fri 15-Feb-13 08:47:52

In fact the more I read about their lives, the sadder it becomes. sad
Lots of abuse allegations now surfacing against him.

edam Thu 14-Feb-13 21:27:17

The mother who got away from Philpott with her kids was orphaned at 12 and lived with a cousin who introduced her to him? Poor girl. No wonder she was easy prey for an abusive, controlling, dangerous man. Thank heavens she managed to get out with her kids - how terrible that the others suffered so dreadfully.

Geordieminx Thu 14-Feb-13 19:55:29

Someone on here said a while ago that if the police suspect involvement from a family member they ask them to do a press conference/public appeal so that they can get behavioral expects in to examine their reactions etc. don't know how true it is

GetOrf Thu 14-Feb-13 18:42:06

I was thinking earlier that I had posted how upset I was at that press conference - I have posted lots on that thread cogito.

I genuinely thought that those two were remorseful and heartbroken. Bit bloody embarrassed reading that back. What a terrible judge of character I am. But I just couldn't fathom that there was anything sinister in it - thought is was just a horrible accident.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 14-Feb-13 18:32:40

Carole Malone's remarks look positively measured from this perspective....

JakeBullet Thu 14-Feb-13 17:41:26

I pity the jurors who have to listen to it all tbh sad, an awful case.

SamSmalaidh Thu 14-Feb-13 17:40:58

She was orphaned by 12 and then lived with an older cousin who introduced her to Philpott.

sunflowersfollowthesun Thu 14-Feb-13 17:40:23

I was just released from jury service in that crown court last Thursday. I was so dreading being selected for it.
They were telling jurors who would suffer serious financial/family problems from sitting on a six week trial to speak up to see if they could be excused from that jury pool. (Jury service commitment is usually only 2 weeks) We guessed it was this case they were preparing for.

JakeBullet Thu 14-Feb-13 17:35:55

Yes just read that and tbh I wasn't surprised.....and Lisa Willis was only 17 when she moved in which makes me wonder about her background too.

hackmum Thu 14-Feb-13 17:28:09

Jake - Lisa Wills testified today that Maighread Philpott confided in her that she'd been sexually abused as a child.

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