Screaming farts :(

[Yorky]

DD has just turned 3 and is a beautiful blonde, mostly happy and healthy little girl who has just starting potty training

She has never been a good sleeper but has recently improved for no reason we can see (which is frustrating but not complaining!)

We have taken her to the drs intermittently as she is subject to screaming fits, pulling her knees up to her tummy like a colicky baby (which she wasn't), but noone has ever taken us particularly seriously or offered anything useful. We are now seeing a more obvious pattern of an hour of screaming and farting about 4hrs after we eat - normally between 9-10pm after 5pm tea. This leaves us reasonably confident that she has some kind of minor food sensitivity/intolerance but we are struggling to find any logic as to what causes the upsets - frubes are fine but the Aldi equivalent 'tube its' are not. Some chocolate puddings are guilty, and we had a different brand of shop bought pizza than usual which set her off - is a colouring a likely cause?
We tried her on soya milk when she was still having bottles at bedtime and it didn't make a noticeable difference.
She has always been a big drinker (water, milk, weak dilute juice), and we had her urine dipped for glucose as I was concerned about diabetes (my side of the family :() but she came up clear :)
She is a big protein eater, and not particularly fussy, but would happily live on choc spread sandwiches if she could, but I don't think this makes her unique among 3yr olds

I would have posted this in allergies but it seems so minor compared to the food hoops some mums are managing to jump through. Its still horrible, though, feeling so helpless to comfort her or relieve the pain, even though we're starting to recognise the pattern now and realise its fairly temporary nature

Any advice/experience welcome

TIA

Is it possible that its the type of food she's eating rather than an intolerance as such. I mean is she having high fibre foods at that time, baked beans, high fibre fruit, or vedge??

You seem to be doing an exclusion type trial, so I guess keep on that same track, but also look at food type.

It doesn't seem to be that simple squeezecake, the other night the DC had baked beans and tinned hot dogs and she was fine - yet I'd have thought that processed tinned crap would be big trouble, and the high fibre in the beans. We often have pasta and tomato sauce, which I make with lots of veg in - celery, peppers, carrots, mushrooms, and again, she is fine afterwards

We have the 50/50 bread, and occasionally she has shreddies for breakfast so she is used to some fibre in her diet although she isn't a big fruit and veg eater

'does not compute'

Could it be lactose Yorky?

It could be Meg - does soya milk have lactose in it too?
But she loves babybel, and we eat a lot of dairy puddings - yogurt, custard etc and she's usually OK after them
Strange child!

Its difficult for me to explain so will be even more difficult for you to understand - ds3 has a dairy and wheat intolerance,at first when he was young anything dairy triggered tummy aches,vomiting,rashes and poo that smelt like rotten veg and wind that stank vile,wheat such as weetabix caused his tummy to bloat and his pooh was so acidic his bottom would literally bleed.

We cut out everything- the only dairy he could tolerate was cow and gate(?) and v cheap cheesestrings (the specialist contacted cow and gate and we believe it was a protein killed during processing that wasnt artificially added after) so as a result ds was on cow and gate on his breakfast cereal and stuff like mash until he was 7.

As he has gotten older hes kind of built up a level of tolerance so he can eat regular mash,he can have small amounts of 'ordinary' milk but not everyday and not for unlimited periods every few weeks he will say he has a poorly tummy which means hes up to full wack and we stop all irritant food stuffs and gradually reintroduce,he describes terrible griping pains and poop he cant control and the dreadful smell returns - day to day I can tell by his 'smell' body odour and breath if hes been overdoing it.

My suggestion would be to ask your GP to do the blood test for coeliac disease (sometimes known as gluten intolerance even though it's really an autoimmune disease).

I second the vote for a chat w. the GP about coeliacs.

I have a diagnosis of probable coeliacs (working towards full one but more tricky as I'm antibody negative) and my symptoms were horrendous but very intermittent ie I ate bread etc every day but got ill maybe every 3 weeks.

The delay b/w eating and symptoms appearing can be typical because it is when the food hits the small intestine that problems start.

My DD's 10 and was diagnosed early this year after going from no symptoms at all to sudden random tummy aches. Her blood tests were pretty conclusive but she had to have gastroscopy/biopsy to confirm. Unfortunately blood tests can have false negatives so not conclusive although there are hardly ever false postivies.

Sound like gluten to me too

Hum, the general consensus seems to be that the nice logical timelapse between eating and reaction is a misleader :( I knew it was too simple to be my daughter!
If I print out this thread and give it to the GP will she look at me like ?

Yes she will, sorry. Just try and remember a few bits and chuck them into conversation...could it be anything to do with xxxx, I considered yyy etc

what colour is her poo, Yorky?

Just a normal 'poo' colour, fairly dark brown, as fair as I know 53180000008, very rare for her to be constipated even though she isn't a great fruit/veg eater