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Please can you give me info for my meeting with the consultant?

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mousebacon · 04/09/2010 21:54

Hi ladies, it's early days for me with this pregnancy but I've got an appointment with a consultant at the same time I have my 12 week scan in order for us to discuss the options for the birth.

When DS was born I had a failed rotational forceps and then an emergency section as he was a brow presentation and, basically, stuck. Up until the end I had coped for 30 hours with the pool and gas and air, including 2 hours of pushing and I believe this was only possible because I was able to be upright/on all fours etc..

However, this time round I'm high risk due to the previous section so have already been told the pool is a definate no no. It's also been suggested that my 'trial of labour' option will involve being continuously monitored and therefore on the bed on my back which is my worse nightmare.

I was hoping some of you might be able to give me some stats/info so I can go to this appointment armed with information. I'd really like a VBAC but only if I can have an active birth.

What do you think? TIA x

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Shaz10 · 04/09/2010 21:56

Not been in this situation but there was a thread a few weeks back - someone had been on a monitor with long wires so movement was possible.

rebeccacad · 04/09/2010 22:28

Take a look at the AIMS website. Lots of good info including the chance to order their 'Birht After Caesarean and 'Am I Allowed' booklets. They are £8 each but worth getting so you can be well informed about your rights.

It is your right to have your birth in a certain way - but getting an active birth for a VBAC can be a fight, though one that plenty of women have fought and won and had a wonderful birth experience.

You'll want to read up as much as possible, find out all the statistics and options so that you are confident in and comfortable with your decisions - you know the risks (in real figures and not hospital policy generalistions).

You'll want to listen to your consultant and ask questions to understand their reasons for wanting you to birth in a certain way. e.g. if there are specific reasons and evidence that in your case you need a certain kind of birth you may find this compelling, if it is hospital policy you might not find it compelling. The AIMS booklets will help with this.

Also take a look at the homebirth.org.uk website - has lots of interesting links and articles about VBAC whether or not you are considering a homebirth.

Do think about having a doula. Trainees like me can't charge more than £200 and they will be able to help you and your partner think through all the different options.

To put all this in context I know someone who recently had an amazing homebirth after two caesareans so it is possible!

Will pop back before I go on hols tomorrow if I can - you can Always CAT me.

moaningminniewhingesagain · 04/09/2010 22:45

Feel free to CAT me too as I haven't much time right now.

Google the RCOG greentop guidelines for birth after ceasarean section

Ask for a copy of the hospital VBAC policy

I also had a very traumatic crash section under GA for brow with my first child, it was horrific.

Brief points - they recommend constant monitoring, it is not compulsory and you may want to consider whether you are more likely to have a successful VBAC if you are mobile.

Frequent checks and one to one care from a MW in labour is the gold standard for minimising the risk, can they offer this in the hospital?

What are your priorities for the birth, any particular issues you are wondering about? I did go for a VB with the second child in the end.

Poledra · 04/09/2010 22:52

Ask if they have telemetric monitoring - wireless monitors, so you can move around the room freely. Saying that, I had continuous monitoring with my VBACs, and moved around quite a bit - the mws were encouraging me to do what I wanted, then sorting out the monitors after I was were I wanted to be.

(C-S after brow presentation for my first too, DD2 was forceps, DD3 straightforward(ish) vaginal birth)

bundle · 04/09/2010 23:09

i had a trial of labour with my 2nd pregnancy and ended up having a crash section (em/cs first time - different reasons) with a GA instead of the epidural I'd managed to get sorted the first time - so do be prepared for a plan B if your first preference isn't possible. good luck with the pregnancy and birth

LittleSilver · 05/09/2010 07:02

Another person saying get proper evidence base (RCOG, AIMS, NICE guidelines) and ask the consultant to do the same.

mungogerry · 05/09/2010 07:58

Its not new - but it is interesting, have copied and pasted.

Here is the article:

VBAC - On Whose terms?

AIMS Journal, Spring 2002, Vol 14 No 1

Gina Lowdon and Debbie Chippington Derrick explore the reasons for the currently low rates for VBACs and what women can do to make sure the odds are in their favour.

The highly respected Guide to Effective Care in Pregnancy and Childbirth states: "The care of a woman in labour after a previous lower-segment caesarean section should be little different from that of any woman in labour."1

Despite evidence supporting the safety and desirability of VBAC (vaginal birth after caesarean), mothers who have undergone one or more caesarean sections are frequently led to believe that VBAC is a risky choice that may well turn out to be hazardous, especially for the baby. This impression is further emphasized by 'hospital policies,' which dictate the 'management' of women who are in labour following a previous caesarean section.

Such policies vary in their content and flexibility from hospital to hospital and from consultant to consultant. Individual midwives will also vary a very great deal in how strictly their practice adheres to the policies laid down in their unit.

Policies for the management of VBAC labours, or 'trials of scar' or 'trials of labour' (phrases some hospitals persist in using), often include some or all of the following:

No induction. It is common not to induce VBAC mothers who go overdue.
Early admission. Mothers are often told they should attend the hospital as soon as labour starts.
Continuous electronic fetal monitoring.
Siting of an IV (intravenous) drip or at least a canula (a needle that could take an IV) so an IV can be set up quickly if needed.
Restriction on the length of the first stage of labour.
Restriction on the length of the second stage of labour.
With the exception of 'no induction', there doesn't seem to be any research evidence to show that the use of such measures are beneficial to either mothers or their babies, and there are strong arguments that for the majority of healthy mothers and babies such restrictions on the natural course of labour can be detrimental.

Few women realise that such policies, which are in place to guide the practice of maternity professionals, are not legally binding on pregnant women, who are under no obligation to abide by them. In addition most women are led to believe that failure to submit and comply with the 'rules' will put the baby at risk. Many women are also under the impression that if they do not comply then they may no longer be eligible for care, if or when the need arises.

In reality women are left with no real choice and little control. VBAC mothers are usually faced with the prospect of a highly medicalised labour, conducted on terms and to a time scale laid down for them by the hospital with no consultation or consideration of their needs as individuals. These are often precisely the conditions that caused a previously avoidable section to become necessary and also the conditions that some mothers now realise need to be avoided if the chances of achieving a vaginal birth are to be maximised.

The message that VBAC mothers are 'high risk' is coming across strongly. According to the National Sentinel Caesarean Section Report, in some units as few as 8% of caesarean mothers are even offered a 'trial of labour'. The national VBAC rate is shown to be only 33% and the range between units is wide; from 6% to 64%.2

Those that are offered a VBAC have often experienced a previous difficult and highly medicalised labour, which they have no desire to repeat. Many women find the additional restrictions laid down by hospital policies for the management of VBAC labours daunting and very worrying. Mothers wonder how they will find the strength of mind and body to submit to such a catalogue of events, but lack the information and courage to take the perceived risk of going against the 'advice' of health professionals.

The majority of women would prefer to experience a straightforward, intervention-free, properly supported vaginal birth. However, women want what is best for the baby and it would be extremely rare to find a woman who would be prepared to go through vaginal birth at any cost. It is a demonstration of the strength of the desire for a vaginal birth that so many women will go ahead with labour despite the conditions imposed upon them.

If a woman perceives she will not be able to maintain control during labour, she may prefer instead to opt for a surgical procedure that would be more predictable. In today's modern world the events of surgical procedures are often more familiar than the processes of natural vaginal birth. Many people know someone who has coped with surgery without finding it traumatic, even if they have not done so themselves. Mothers may therefore view surgery as an ordeal with which they feel they should be able to cope.

Also, mothers have no reason to believe that health professionals would be giving them anything other than the best of information and care. Few women are aware that given sufficient information they would be quite capable of making their own decisions about which measures are appropriate and acceptable, and which are neither helpful nor beneficial, and would thus be able to maintain a degree of control with which they are comfortable.

Informed women are often able to labour confidently if they are free to do so on their own terms, and will either achieve a good positive vaginal birth, or switch to a caesarean delivery before labour has degenerated into an horrendously unpleasant endurance test.

Induction
Some consultants continue to induce mothers with a scarred uterus routinely despite the additional risks. Prostaglandin gel pessaries came into widespread use in the late 1980s and concerns have been growing over the effect they could be having on the uterine scar tissue of susceptible women. Previous articles in this Journal (see AIMS Journal, Autumn 2001) have dealt with the serious concerns relating to the use of misoprostol in particular and prostaglandin gel pessaries in general. There is certainly enough evidence now to suggest that routine induction of VBAC mothers should be avoided and when it is necessary it should be conducted with great care.

Mothers who go overdue are therefore in a difficult position and often under pressure to accept an elective caesarean section. They are fed scare stories of placentas that begin to fail at 42 weeks, and of babies that grow so large that the strain on the scar is sure to result in a rupture.

Although there is evidence that reducing the numbers of women going over 42 weeks gestation does improve outcomes, the risks involved in post term pregnancy are very small. Due dates can also vary by several days depending upon which method of calculation was used.

There is no evidence to support the fear that larger babies are more likely to result in caesarean scar rupture, and indeed many twin pregnancies also result in successful VBACs. VBAC mothers have given birth to some very large and healthy babies, some of which followed caesarean deliveries of much smaller siblings. Failure to progress and fetal distress are rarely evidence of a small pelvis or a mother's inability to labour effectively - they are much more likely to be caused by poor support and over-medicalisation of labour.

Little, if any, consideration is generally given to the case of the mother who has passed a healthy pregnancy, who perhaps has a long menstrual cycle, who many have conceived later in her cycle, whose family history tends toward longer pregnancies, who may well naturally be destined to have a longer pregnancy, and whose baby is active and healthy and simply not quite ready to be born yet.

Providing a mother is confident that her baby is doing just fine, she may prefer to avoid the risks of induction or an elective caesarean, preferring instead to let nature take its course unhampered. The onus should not be on the mother to refuse routine medical intervention, it should be on the health professionals to convince an individual mother that any intervention is necessary or advantageous in her particular case.

Early Admission
VBAC mothers are often advised to attend the hospital as soon as labour starts. The rationale for such advice being that the uterine scar could rupture - leaving some mothers terrified of the first contraction!

The most commonly quoted rate of caesarean scar rupture is 0.5% or one in 200 VBAC labours, the vast majority of which are benign (causing no problems for either mother or baby). Serious complications of caesarean scar rupture are very rare.

All pregnancies carry risks and serious, potentially life-threatening problems could arise during the labour of any woman. For instance umbilical cord prolapse has been estimated to have a 1% incidence3, double that of caesarean scar rupture, yet this potential danger is not continually picked out with the same degree of emphasis that is given to the lesser risk of serious caesarean scar rupture. Indeed many pregnant women pass an entire pregnancy without it once being mentioned. It seems invidious to single out the very small additional risk of the uterine scar for special scare tactics and one has to question the reasons for this.

A mother who has no concerns over the immediate well-being of her baby may prefer to spend the early part of labour at home, waiting until her labour is well-established and she feels the time is right to transfer in to the hospital.

Contrary to common belief home birth is an option for VBAC mothers and there are many women who have exercised this right even after two or more caesareans. Indeed there is a strong argument that giving birth at home can be safer than a hospital delivery as labour is much more likely to be left to take its natural course and the risks associated with various routine interventions in childbirth are avoided.

Continuous EFM
Women are commonly informed that continuous electronic fetal monitoring will be necessary if there is a history of caesarean section. Numerous studies have shown that electronic fetal monitoring, whilst increasing the caesarean section rate, does not improve outcomes for mothers or babies. Providing there are no signs of anything untoward VBAC mothers should not require any additional monitoring over and above that which is normally appropriate for all mothers.

Caesarean scar separation that has serious consequences is a rare occurrence and consequently little is known about the possible warning signs. Some practitioners are of the opinion that maternal pulse monitoring would provide the earliest indication of potential problems.

Medical practitioners are required by law to seek the consent of a patient before any form of treatment or care is administered. Often, particularly when 'routine' procedures are used during labour and birth, consent tends to be assumed rather than sought, leaving the onus on the mother to refuse.

Difficult though it may be to do, mothers have a right to refuse treatment when it is offered. In fact the onus should be on the health professional to make sure that the mother's informed consent has been obtained, which should mean that possible side effects and/or risks of any treatment should have been made clear. Appropriate treatment cannot be withheld or withdrawn, so if a few minutes or some time later a mother changes her mind or decides her circumstances now merit the intervention proposed, then treatment can proceed at that time.

This applies to all forms of treatment and care, including all the common interventions in childbirth such as induction, electronic fetal monitoring, vaginal examinations, augmentation of labour, or use of forceps or ventouse. Mothers have a right to say "no thank you".

Any treatment or care given following a mother's clear refusal or in fact given without the mother's consent, would constitute assault and the health practitioner concerned would be laying themselves open to legal action by the mother.

Siting of IV Drip
Some hospital policies for the management of VBAC labours include the siting of an IV drip or canula, in case of sudden emergency. The risk of such an emergency is very low - little higher than that for any labouring woman. In the vast majority of cases it would not be difficult to site an IV quickly if required. Mothers may therefore wish to come to their own conclusions as to whether this would be helpful in their case.

Restriction of the Length of First Stage of Labour
It is common for restrictions to be placed on the length of the first stage of labour. The fear is that prolonged labour would place an undue strain on the uterine scar and would increase the risk of caesarean scar rupture. There is no research evidence to support this theory. The length of time hospitals 'allow' mothers to labour varies greatly, demonstrating that opinion is far from universal on this issue.

When combined with a policy of early admission VBAC mothers are thus set up to fail, since the length of the labour is often confused with the time spent on the labour ward.

Providing labour is spontaneous and proceeding at its own pace there is no reason to suppose that modern surgical scars will not stand up to normal labour. Indeed there are cases where labour has continued for several days, followed by the successful vaginal birth of a healthy baby from an intact uterus. If nature is allowed to take its course longer labours tend to proceed more gently and present no problems per se.

When a mother is labouring well and the baby is showing no signs of distress it seems nonsensical to transfer a mother to theatre for an emergency operation, simply because an arbitrary time limit has expired. The condition of the mother and baby should be the primary indicators of whether a labour can be safely allowed to continue, not the number of hours ticking on the clock.

As explained, no form of treatment or care can be carried out without the mother's consent, including caesarean section. However it takes courage to refuse when the fear has been planted in a mother's mind that her uterus could rupture and her baby could die at any moment, remote though this catastrophe may be in reality. She needs to know that the research evidence backs up her own gut feeling that she is not really at risk at that time.

Restriction of the Length of the Second Stage of Labour
Restrictions are also commonly placed on the duration of the second stage of labour. Again there is no consensus of opinion and limits vary from hospital to hospital. Some are so short that very few mothers are likely to be able to 'perform adequately'.

A very high proportion of VBAC labours which result in a vaginal delivery are forceps or ventouse 'assisted'. Medical practitioners are often so stressed by what they see as the potential dangers of VBAC that many do not have the confidence to allow the mother to labour in her own time. They want the birth concluded as quickly as possible, to get to the point where the perceived spectre has passed.

Often the stage of transition, which can precede the active 'pushing' second stage and may last some time, is totally forgotten and it is assumed that there has been active expulsion of the baby since reaching 10cm dilation, when in fact no active expulsion has begun. This can lead to concern about the duration of, and the lack of progress in, second stage.

Short time restrictions on the length of the second stage also increase the risk that a mother and her baby will be subjected to an 'assisted' delivery, or that she will be bullied into pushing without the aid of uterine contractions, usually in a position where gravity is not assisting.

To many women the prospect of a forceps or ventouse delivery, together with the often accompanying large episiotomy, is terrifying. Another caesarean delivery can be seen as the lesser of two evils.

Of course a woman does have the right to refuse. She might wish to push for a while longer, or she might prefer to turn down the offer of forceps or ventouse in favour of a caesarean. She does not have to accept what is offered. If a mother refuses forceps and/or ventouse and a speedy delivery is considered necessary then a caesarean will have to be offered - and the decision and control will remain with the mother, rather than the medical staff.

If, however, the only reason a speedy delivery is being considered is that the sand in the egg timer has run out, and mother and baby are coping just fine, there is little justification for mending what is not broken.

Too often women's needs are ignored and control denied. Options remain hidden, or are made to appear unsafe or unacceptable. Women are frequently forced to agree to the advice of health professionals against their better judgement, in the often mistaken belief that it is the only safe or reasonable course open.

Armed with good, research-based information VBAC mothers are frequently able to take control of birthing their own babies. Even when the events do not progress in quite the way that was hoped for, providing a mother is able to remain in control of the situation, and is involved in all the decisions taken, she will usually be left feeling strong and confident. This is in great contrast to the often traumatised women who emerge from the processes inflicted upon them by a rigid policy driven system.

To give birth free of interventions takes courage and sufficient information to enable a mother to believe in herself and her instincts. VBAC mothers can and do give birth safely to healthy babies without undue difficulty and without trauma - and the chance of doing so is much higher if a woman can labour on her own terms and not on those laid down by the hospital.

References
A Guide to Effective Care in Pregnancy and Childbirth, Second Edition, Murray Enkin, Marc JNC Keirse, Mary Renfrew, and James Neilson, Oxford University Press, 1996, p293
The National Sentinel Caesarean Section Audit Report, RCOG Clinical Effectiveness Support Unit, October 2001, p45
Birth After Cesarean, The Medical Facts, Bruce L Flamm, MD, Simon & Schuster, 1990, p105
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mungogerry · 05/09/2010 08:03

I had a home vbac, in water 9 weeks ago. I researched extensively and decided that I had a better chance of a safe vbac at home. Hope some of this helps as a start:

Best places to start:
www.caesarean.org.uk/
www.aims.org.uk/
www.caesarean.org.uk/a...Terms.html
www.radmid.demon.co.uk/vbac.htm

Debbie Chippington Derrick?s recent Presentation on Natural Birth after
Caesarean:
caesarean.org.uk/prese...arean.html

Silent Knife: A book you MUST buy and read:
tinyurl.com/2mbhn5 but not necessarily from that site ;-)

Another great book, Spiritual Midwifery:
tinyurl.com/ozs4u
www.inamay.com/books.php

BirthLove: Brilliant site!
birthlove.cyclzone.com/index.html

If you have trouble coming to terms with your previous CS:
www.plus-size-pregnanc...lrecov.htm
www.birthtraumaassociation.org.uk/
www.tabs.org.nz/
tinyurl.com/5gscd "You should be grateful"
www.sheilakitzinger.co...Haunts.htm
A Relevant Book Review: www.birthpsychology.co...iew11.html
and another brief overview: tinyurl.com/p6cto

Info about how to obtain your previous Birth notes (see also TIPS at
bottom of post):
www.patients-associati...uk/FAQS/23

Mary Cronk's scar monitoring procedures:
www.caesarean.org.uk/a...oring.html

Scar pain during labour (will try to find suitable links to add also):
Email me and I shall pass on a good description from someone who has
experienced this and had a HWBAC nevertheless!

For those attempting a VBA2C:
www.homebirth.org.uk/vba2c.htm
www.plus-size-pregnanc...r2cs.htm
www.plus-size-pregnanc...tories.htm
And a birth story: www.homebirth.org.uk/bernadette.htm
www.caesarean.org.uk/a...ction.html

And risks of UR with VBA2C or more:
medicalcenter.osu.edu/...ewsID=2835

4 links about pushing I wish I'd known about:
www.birthinternational...00558.html
www.birthpsychology.co.../push.html
www.midwiferytoday.com...ushing.asp
Birth Without Active Pushing
www.harcourt-internati...df/465.pdf

Optimal Foetal Positioning:
www.homebirth.org.uk/ofp.htm

Twin VBAC:
www.homebirth.org.uk/vbactwins.htm
www.radmid.demon.co.uk...nbirth.htm

OK so it's on Homebirth site but I thinks it's relevant. Overdue:
www.homebirth.org.uk/overdue.htm
Also: www.infochoice.org/ic/...enDocument

To scan or not to scan:
www.homebirth.org.uk/big.htm#2

Librashavinganotherbiscuit · 05/09/2010 08:09

"so have already been told the pool is a definate no no"

I had already decided to have an ELCS after and EMCS but whilst discussing with the consultant and bringing up this exact point I was told that actually some of the m/ws would be more than happy to supervise a VBAC in the pool. It might be worth talking to the supervisor of midwives at your hospital and finding out what they are comfortable monitoring rather than just going on what the consultants say (because despite being high risk you will be looked after by m/ws if you decide on VBAC)

mungogerry · 05/09/2010 08:10

A few more:

The most recent Cochrane Review
Continuous cardiotocography (CTG) as a form of electronic fetal monitoring
(EFM) for fetal assessment during labour:
www.mrw.interscience.w...frame.html

When trying to argue your case AGAINST monitoring:
bmj.bmjjournals.com/cg.../7300/1436
tinyurl.com/l4s9r

Birth plan inspiration:
users.picknowl.com.au/...plans.html which you?ll find at: users.picknowl.com.au/~caressa/
www.yourbabyyourbody.c...uwant.html

WATER birth after previous CS:
www.rcm.org.uk/magazin...e-in-fife/ and they?ve also supported a planned WBA2C!!
www.naturalchildbirth....abor12.htm

The Third stage:
www.homebirth.org.uk/thirdstage.htm
tinyurl.com/3cv7z9
www.cordclamp.com/
www.thirdstageoflabour...index.html

If you need to make a complaint about your Maternity care:
www.aims.org.uk/complaint.htm

And relative risks of VBAC :-):
www.gentlebirth.org/ar...crisk.html

Epidural anesthesia risk chart:
www.kimjames.net/Labor...ffects.htm

What you need to know about midwives and homebirth:
www.nmc-uk.org/aFrameD...entID=1446

A MUST for everyone, how I'd prefer to have a CS:
www.guardian.co.uk/fam...46,00.html

Having difficulty deciding between VBAC and elCS:
www.childbirthconnecti...168area=27

NLH - Women's Health - Professor David James: NICE/NCCWCH Caesarean
Section Guideline
tinyurl.com/m9dmo

Links to evidence that support labouring in water for a VBAC:

www.gentlebirth.org/ar....html#WBAC

OMG Amazing VBAC site. Its a MUST READ for stats and recent studies:

vbacfacts.com/vbac/

mungogerry · 05/09/2010 08:11

I had to register on the BMJ site, to read the repost on fetal monitoring, so have copied it here to save others registering (unless you wish).

BMJ 2001;322:1436-1437 ( 16 June )

Editorials
Electronic fetal monitoring
Is not necessary for low risk labours

Papers p 1457

Electronic fetal monitoring with the cardiotocograph is standard practice during labour in most obstetric units in the United Kingdom. The technique was introduced as a screening test in the 1970s in the belief that it would improve the detection of fetal hypoxaemia and reduce cerebral palsy and perinatal mortality, particularly in high risk pregnancies. Early retrospective observational studies supported the view that it was superior to intermittent auscultation using either a Pinard stethoscope or a hand held doppler ultrasound device.1 Its use spread rapidly from high risk to low risk pregnancies where the fetus is at least risk from hypoxic events in labour. Was this spread necessary or wise?

By the 1990s systematic reviews of randomised controlled trials of electronic fetal monitoring versus intermittent auscultation during labour had shown no effect on neonatal outcomes such as metabolic acidosis at birth, low Apgar scores or admissions to neonatal intensive care.2-4 An increase in neonatal seizures was seen in the group with intermittent auscultation but no long term increase in neurological problems.5

Electronic fetal monitoring did, however, have an effect on women in labour. Levels of obstetric interventionaugmentation of labour, epidural anaesthesia, instrumental delivery, and caesarean sectionconsistently increased.4 Instrumental delivery and caesarean section were even more common when electronic fetal monitoring was not backed up by fetal blood sampling. The impact on the mother and her experience of labour was therefore considerable, without any gain for the baby. In many units this evidence allowed a return to intermittent auscultation, which is less intrusive for the woman. Unfortunately the dramatic increase in litigation in obstetrics has tempered this change, as the cardiotocograph has also become an important legal document.

An admission cardiotocograph was introduced to identify fetuses at risk which needed closer monitoring during labour, allowing those with no signs of distress to be monitored by intermittent auscultation.6 In their large randomised controlled trial in this week's BMJ Mires et al show that even this brief cardiotocograph on admission has a similar effect in low risk women to the use of the cardiotocograph throughout labour (p 1457).7 The intervention rate increased significantly with no effect on neonatal outcome.

In low risk pregnancies adverse events during labour that affect the development of the baby are rare. Most cases of cerebral palsy have antecedents in the antenatal period,8 with only about 10% of cases having an intrapartum cause. The prevalence of perinatal mortality or cerebral palsy from intrapartum causes is about 0.8 per 1000 and 0.1 per 1000 respectively.1 Most studies of electronic fetal monitoring were underpowered to detect these rare events and have concentrated on more immediate fetal outcomes. When perinatal mortality was studied no effect was seen. Nevertheless, the cardiotocograph continues to be an important document in many legal cases concerning cerebral palsy.

So the evidence is strongly against the routine use of electronic fetal monitoring. This is further reinforced by the publication last month of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists' guidelines on electronic fetal monitoring, which have been developed with the National Institute for Clinical Excellence.1 This important document has brought together all the good evidence on electronic fetal monitoring. There are some important messages, which should affect practice on labour wards throughout Britain.

The chief recommendation is that intermittent auscultation is the most appropriate method of fetal monitoring for women in labour who are low risk. This allows the best compromise between assuring fetal safety and allowing the woman mobility and independence during labour. For auscultation to be successful it needs to be frequent, especially in the second stage of labour, and therefore requires one to one care of the woman. Unfortunately this is an ideal which may be impossible in hard pressed labour wards, where midwives are often in short supply. Ironically, there is good evidence that one to one care alone has a powerful effect on the labouring woman, reducing intervention.8 The cardiotocograph can become a surrogate for this best quality care and has a major impact on the caesarean section rate.

If intermittent auscultation identifies a problem or the woman has major risk factors then electronic fetal monitoring should be used. The main problem then lies in interpreting the cardiotocograph trace. The guidelines address this at length and provide good criteria for identifying suspicious and abnormal traces. Another key recommendation is that all professionals involved in managing labour should have regular, continuing training in interpreting and storing cardiotocographs. This recommendation is in line with three recent Confidential Enquiries into Stillbirths and Deaths in Infancy, which have consistently recognised inadequate interpretation of the cardiotocograph as a prime cause of adverse events.9-11 To prevent litigation trusts should act on this recommendation and ensure that such training is available free for all relevant staff.

The guidelines have also looked at other methods of testing fetal well being in early labour and of fetal monitoring, such as fetal pulse oximetry and fetal electrocardiography. These newer tools may be useful as an adjunct to electronic monitoring, but they are no more predictive of adverse outcomes. Research is needed to identify more specific tests of fetal well being that will allow us to identify babies at risk during labour without having a major impact on women. For now, it is important that electronic fetal monitoring should be used appropriately in high risk women and that intermittent auscultation is recognised as a valid form of management for most low risk cases.

Ros Goddard, specialist registrar in obstetrics and gynaecology.

Royal United Hospital, Bath BA1 3NG ([email protected])

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mungogerry · 05/09/2010 08:12

Sorry to bombard you, but I had these links saved from my own research. Good luck x

mungogerry · 05/09/2010 08:14

Oh pants, forgot to say - my hossy support labouring the the pool with telemetry for a VBAC, they also supported my home water VBAC x

LittleSilver · 05/09/2010 08:14

wow what great links there!

rebeccacad · 05/09/2010 10:24

mugogerry I might have to nick your list of amazingly researched links to give to a VBAC client!

mungogerry · 05/09/2010 10:28

you are more than welcome rebeccacad x

Backinthebox · 05/09/2010 10:57

Excellent advice and references from Mungogerry!

I am in a silimar position to you (42hr labour but asynclitic OP baby was never going to come out vaginally, no matter what I did,) and was recommended to see a consultant this time round. However, I was signed up with a consultant right from the start who has a reputation for being very pro-vbac. (Had I told my MW I wanted a ELCS from the start she would have referred me to a different consultant in the same hospital who is very pro-CS.) With many NHS patients it is completely luck of the draw as to which consultant they are referred to but you are able to request a particular consultant if you feel one would suit your needs better than another.

I would also second the advice for getting some kind of birth advocate who is knowledgable. You could use a doula experienced in vbacs. I have gone for an independent midwife, even though I intend to have my baby in hospital. She came with me to the meeting I had with the consultant midwife at the hospital and lots of details were discussed and we came up with a plan that involved me hopefully getting the birth I would like while not scaring the hospital MWs too much.

As has been said though already - knowledge is your friend at every step of the way here.

moaningminniewhingesagain · 05/09/2010 14:56

When I weighed up all the evidence, I felt my best chance of avoiding uterine rupture was 1:1 care from a midwife. With frequent listens to the baby and frequent checks of my pulse - there is something by Mary Cronk on this if you want to google.

I felt my best chance of a normal birth meant being active, being able to use a pool, avoid induction/augmentation of labour full stop. Labour at my own pace, not against hospital timeline.

I decided that I was only get all of these things by choosing a homebirth for my VBAC, which I did with NHS midwives. I did have a meeting with a Supervisor of Midwives and opted out of consultant care, had a problem free pregnancy.

In the end, I transferred for a repeat CS for good reasons, no rush, no dire emergency, with all the choices/decisions made by me. I did have to be very bolshy assertive though. Had full support of my DH and was looked after by a caseloading MW team which all helped.

Still feel very happy with the choices I made, and didn't allow myself to be railroaded. Don't get me wrong, they did try.

But by doing your own research you can evaluate the risks and see what you are happy with.

Remember - choosing a hospital VBAC still has risks. Choosing a homebirth also has risks. Opting for an elective has risks. You need to choose which risks you feel most comfortable with. All the best whatever you decide.

diddl · 05/09/2010 15:55

Surely being monitored these days doesn´t mean being stuck on the bed?

I had a belt thing on as baby´s heartbeat was dipping when I had a contraction.

I gave birth on all fours on the floor.

In fact was never on the bed at all or very near it!

lucy101 · 05/09/2010 18:01

Just wanted to say thank to you everyone above for all the great links - such a great resource!

mousebacon · 05/09/2010 22:36

Wow! What an amazing bunch you are. Thank you so, so much for taking the time to give such detailed responses. I will definately look at those websites and am going to try and print this thread. Thanks again xx

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mungogerry · 15/10/2010 09:44

Bumping up for SpiderWilliam

Hope some of these links help

SpiderWilliam · 15/10/2010 21:33

Thanks Mungo what an amazing set of resources! I have some reading to do (even though that's what the consultant told me not to do).

mungogerry · 15/10/2010 22:02

SW - you are welcome, maybe you could print them for him and post them in!? He has a lot to learn!

Happy reading

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