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Turry · 30/09/2013 20:00

I'm going to a really good friend's wedding on Sat. 17 month old DD will be with me all day and night. She feeds at 8am, 1pm, 8pm and then bits and bobs through the night.

Could I get away with a couple of glasses of wine early afternoon? Does anybody know what the research says re any long term consequences of booze in bm?

TIA!

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Queenofknickers · 30/09/2013 20:04

I am no expert but I was told by midwife that only 1/15 of what you drink gets into breastmilk and that decrease over the hours. Don't know if its true or not. If you're concerned could you express and dump at the late feed instead?

rosiedays · 30/09/2013 20:18

I was told 'as long as you're not to drunk to look after them you'll be fine. ' in Europe many nursing mothers will drink wine regularly.

Enjoy your day

mrsmartin1984 · 30/09/2013 20:23

As long as you are not drunk it is fine. A glass or two of wine isn't an issue. If you are wanting to get rat arsed then you will need to express. Personally I don't bother DD is a bottle refuser anyway

Turry · 30/09/2013 20:29

Ooh, interesting - and exciting! So, say I started at 1.30/2, how many cheeky glasses do you think I could fit in and be ok (not that I'm planning to binge -i bet my tolerance is v low now anyway!) And what time should I be stopping in prep for the 8 o'clock feed?

Is there anything I can do to get it out of my system quicker? I've heard food actually keeps it in the system longer, which is a crying shame as I love food even more than booze!

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Turry · 30/09/2013 20:30

PS, I've never been able to express, so that's not an option. :(

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rosiedays · 30/09/2013 20:50

As long as you're not drunk you don't need to stop in prep for feed. ... I have a friend who swears by her glass of wine with feed to sleep feed.
Just drink sensibly and enjoy. Yes your tolerance will be lower so take care. If you like numbers I'd say start within safe driving limit.

midori1999 · 01/10/2013 00:57

The department of health recommends no more than one to two units of alcohol once or twice a week if breastfeeding.

The Breastfeeding Network has good, evidence based info on alcohol whilst breastfeeding here:

www.breastfeedingnetwork.org.uk/dibm/Alcohol_and_Breastfeeding_Oct_2012.pdf

It seems that regular consumption on alcohol would be worse than slightly over indulging on one occasion.

Personally, going by the BFN info I would feel comfortable having 2-3 small glasses of wine after the 1pm feed and then feeding at 8 as normal or maybe pushing the 8pm feed back an hour just to be safe.

Turry · 02/10/2013 10:30

Thanks all! Bit of bubbly here I come!

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legallyblond · 02/10/2013 15:05

I have been told by all the HVs that I've had (three DCs) that moderate drinking is fine while bf. All have said a couple of glasses of wine is fine. One HV (the best and most pro bf one I've ever had!) tells struggling mothers to have a glass if wine while bf so that they are relaxed to encourage let down!!!

YoniBottsBumgina · 02/10/2013 15:31

Oh yes, it's absolutely fine. Milk alcohol content is roughly 1:1 with blood alcohol level, which according to this table:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content

Would be at 0.2-0.3% if you were unconscious. A few glasses of wine is barely going to register on the scale.

YoniBottsBumgina · 02/10/2013 15:32

I don't think food makes a difference either, don't worry about it :)

ixqic · 02/10/2013 16:07

dr jack newman has some great information about this. Someone blogged about it and he posted it in text on his FB page. Here is the text of it below:

The following is from a blog by a mother who tested her milk for alcohol. Not one of those useless kits that you can buy at various stores, but tested at a toxicology laboratory. I will copy from her blog the method she used and the results. I think this puts the lie to the notion that women should not drink while breastfeeding or need to "pump and dump" (an appalling term) after having even one drink. The following is an exact quote from her blog:

Method:
First I took a sample of my milk (about 1 mL) prior to drinking any alcoholic beverage. I expressed the milk mid-nursing session to ensure I had a goodly portion of fore & hind milk. After completing the nursing session, I mixed myself an alcoholic beverage consisting of 2 oz of 80 proof (40%) vodka in 10 oz of soda (Sprite). I proceeded to drink the entire 12 oz in about 30 minutes. About 30 minutes after finishing (1 hour after beginning to drink), I expressed some milk (about 1 mL) and labeled it 'immediate'. I then waited 1 hour and expressed more milk (about 1 mL) and labeled it '2 hours'. In the 2 hours (from the beginning), I did not drink any more alcoholic beverages, drink other beverages, or eat any other foods. Another day, 1/2 of a beer (4.3% alcohol) and 2-6 oz glasses of wine were consumed within 1.5 hours. About an hour from the beginning of the last drink, a milk sample (about 1 mL) was taken. This sample was labeled '1 hour - 3 drinks'. Another sample was taken about an hour after that (2 hours after the beginning of the last drink). This sample was labeled '2 hours - 3 drinks'.

The samples were stored in the refrigerator until processing. An Agilent headspace instrument was used to run the tests. Propanol and ethanol standards were also tested to ensure the instrument was within limits. The instrument is maintained by the KSP Lab Toxicology Section and used in forensic determinations of blood and urine alcohol content.

Results:
The sample labeled as 'immediate' registered as 0.1370 mg/mL which correlates to 0.01370% alcohol in the sample. The sample labeled '2 hours' registered as 0.0000 mg/ml which correlates to 0.0000%. The sample labeled '1 hour - 3 drinks' registered as 0.3749 mg/mL which correlates to 0.03749% alcohol in the sample. The sample labeled '2 hours - 3 drinks' registered as 0.0629 mg/mL which correlates to 0.00629% alcohol in the sample.

Conclusion:
The alcohol content in breast milk immediately after drinking is equivalent to a 0.0274 proof beverage. That's like mixing 1 oz of 80 proof vodka (one shot) with 2919 oz of mixer . By the way, 2919 oz is over 70 liters. Two hours after drinking one (strong) drink the alcohol has disappeared from the sample. Completely harmless to the nursing infant. Drinking about 3 drinks in 1.5 hours resulted in higher numbers, but still negligible amounts of alcohol would be transferred to the child. One hour after imbibing in 3 drinks, the milk was the equivalent of 0.07498 proof beverage. That would be like adding 1 oz of 80 proof vodka (one shot) to 1066 oz of mixer (1066 oz is over 26 liters). Two hours after imbibing in 3 drinks, the milk was 0.01258 proof. That would be like adding 1 oz of 80 proof vodka to 3179 oz of mixer (over almost 80 liters). So, even though an infant has much less body weight, any of these percentage of alcohol in breast milk is unlikely to adversely affect the baby. Bottoms up!

Turry · 08/10/2013 12:44

Wow, thanks again ladies! Grin

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MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird · 08/10/2013 12:57

That is so interesting ixqic! You don't by any chance have a link to the blog do you?

I've always felt that moderate drinking is absolutely fine, and felt that its a shame when friends have stopped for just the reason that they miss the odd glass of wine, would love to have a reference to send anyone who asks.

I was very restrained when DS was tiny, but that was because we coslept and also because half a glass of wine was about enough! By the time he was 17 months I was pretty much back to normal drinking.

leedy · 08/10/2013 13:10

Yes to what everyone said above - I think they'd need to be latching the baby on to your unconscious form for you to be passing a dangerous amount of alcohol in your milk. The amount of booze in your milk after a couple of glasses of wine is about as much as there is in a pot of yoghurt (ie not very much) - the biggest danger with alcohol and breastfeeding is dropping the baby, not giving them alcohol poisoning.

Enjoy your couple of glasses of bubbly!

orangeone · 08/10/2013 19:20

As a peer supporter, we were advised if you can see 'em, you can feed 'em.... Grin

In other words, watch your tolerance and don't get drunk, otherwise a couple of glasses over the course of a meal / wedding is fine. Have fun!

NotQuiteCockney · 08/10/2013 19:45

Found it!

Fascinating stuff, I will be sharing that one.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird · 08/10/2013 20:23

Love it, thanks NQCockney Grin

Orchardbeck · 09/10/2013 04:28

The only problem I have with drinking is that it seems to affect the let down reflex after two glasses if wine or so - I think one is good to help relax you and trigger it (I read that it also helps you produce more milk) but the double edged sword is that baby can't actually get it as the let down is suppressed.

I got totally engorged at a wedding but then didn't gave my baby with me, and expressing wasn't working. I can usually express really easily. Not sure how much was down to alcohol.

JollyScaryGiant · 09/10/2013 04:52

I had seen the BFN link before but not the blog post. That's really interesting.

I bf DS for 20mo and I'm nearly 7 weeks into BF DD. Last time, once DS was in a routine and sleeping through at about 7mos I went on the odd drunken night out. This time I'm comfortable having a couple of ciders at the weekend.

The worst issues for me are leaking because alcohol increases your milk production and so far with DD I struggle to wake up at night if I've had even one small drink.

legallyblond · 13/10/2013 03:29

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