what formula? are they all the same?

(62 Posts)
stylostar Thu 07-Feb-13 19:47:50

I'm due with first dc in two weeks and still keeping an open mind on how ill choose to feed. I know breast is best but I have never liked the thought of breastfeeding which is one of the reasons why I've always had doubts about having children. Anyway, I am now and although I've decided to at least try and see how I get on,, I'm also worried about FF. If I do decide toFF , what formula do you use? Are they all fundamentally the same?

Please no pro breastfeeding advice- I know its thebest thing for my baby and believe me this has worried.me since before even TTC!!! I already feel so guilty for feeling this way.

aamia Sun 10-Feb-13 08:45:48

Aptamil tastes disgusting btw and nothing at all like breast milk. Hipp tastes much better - closer to bm just a bit powdery in taste as you would expect.

Phineyj Sat 09-Feb-13 18:34:14

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Thank you, I shall use Aptamil as an example for my Economics students -- great example of high price making product more desirable!

Zara1984 Sat 09-Feb-13 15:03:32

Oh Amanda - here's an interesting addition to the "Aptamil is more pricey for no good reason" thing.

I was in New Zealand in December and January. DS is normally on Aptamil (no particular reason, mainly because it's what all my FF friends use too). Tried to choose the NZ brand formula most similar to Aptamil (even though they're all the same nutritionally I know, but I didn't want any tummy upsets on holiday!). In NZ this is a brand called Karicare Gold. It's obvious Karicare is the same as Aptamil (even if you don't compare the nutrition labels) - the blur tub has the same design except it's a brown bear instead of a polar beat etc etc. Anyway, they are now rolling out "Aptamil" as a separate product in NZ too - same tub design (brown bear etc), same nutritional content as Karicare, it just says Aptamil on the tub instead. Oh and IS ELEVEN DOLLARS MORE EXPENSIVE than Karicare!! WTF! That's about 6 pounds!!

This new and more expensive Aptamil was often sold out at the supermarket, too. They have to put limits on how many tubs you can buy at most shops because (I'm not stereotyping, I have friends that do this!) many Chinese people buy up NZ formula in bulk and sell/send back home because its very highly prized for it's quality. So the most expensive formula (Aptamil is the most expensive by quite a long shot) is the most desirable IYSWIM.

It was actually weird/interesting seeing all the different formula brands in NZ. Nestlé have one called Nan confused what a weird name!!

Zara1984 Sat 09-Feb-13 14:51:35

They are definitely all the same nutritionally (based on what paed friends of mine have told me). DS will take any brand, BUT I have noticed on SMA (contains soy) that it makes him smell like peanuts and his poos were greener/stinkier. grin grin

AmandaPayne Sat 09-Feb-13 07:44:26

Pickled - You knew it was me? You mean from my rant on Aptamil last week you knew I'd show up on this thread. Or, oh goodness this is worse, my rant is so well known that you've just linked this user name to an old one. I do think I may be a leeeetle obsessed in my hatred of the polar bear brand blush.

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 23:34:49

HIPP was cheaper when I bought it, but cunningly it was in a slightly smaller box. Still cheaper but not by as much as you think!

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 23:33:45

No if your settled stick with it, if I FF again though I wont start on it unless its the last one I try!

I used it last time and HIPP DS was fine on both.

Bit odd about this HIPP business though that will def. put me off.

DeDevilTail Fri 08-Feb-13 22:51:25

When I switched from BF to formula, I went for Aptamil simply because I knew it was the one my friend had used with her DC and figured that they'd done ok on it. After a few weeks, I switched to Hipp Organic because it was cheaper but it made DD constipated so I went back to Aptamil. I'm sure SMA or C&G might suit her just as well but I'm not prepared to risk the misery of constipation again when she's thriving on Aptamil. It may be a bit more expensive but it breaks down to only a few pence more per bottle. Not enough to incentivise me to change again.

SparkyUK Fri 08-Feb-13 22:33:43

I think in terms of nutrients etc they are all really the same. I don't know why it didn't occur to us with DS1 who we mixed fed from week 3, but when we started DS2 on formula at 6 months we went for Hipp as it is organic. I've read loads of places that if you can only go organic on one thing it should be milk, and surely this must be even more true if you are an infant and it is the only thing you are ingesting. And unlike fresh milk, it is the same price, if not cheaper, than the other brands.

perceptionreality Fri 08-Feb-13 22:26:43

One thing to bear in mind though - Aptamil was in cardboard packaging and I remember once some water got underneath a carton and ruined it so I had to throw it away and that was a waste of 10 quid!

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 22:24:36

Sleepyhead how bizarre.

perceptionreality Fri 08-Feb-13 22:24:02

I think it's a myth that any formula could even be compared with breast milk tbh. I used Aptamil for dd3 - I found SMA gold made her sick. I remember she much prefered it made up with powder than when I bought the cartons.

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 22:23:29

I knew it was you! They are going to take a hit man out on you Amanda.

Im spreading the word as well. Polar Bear Bastards.

AmandaPayne Fri 08-Feb-13 22:21:33

Congratulations on your pregnancy. You have every right to choose how you feed your child. Like anything in parenting, I think it's great to keep an open mind and see how you feel when something is actually happening. It's a good philosophy in parenting generally not to have set ideas (whether it is for or against something) in advance.

You've had loads of responses, but I'm going to add my Aptamil rant anyway. It is not more expensive because it is better. It is more expensive to convince you it is better. I feel that's a pretty dishonest marketing technique and personally I would certainly see whether other formulas agree with your baby before trying Aptamil as a last resort.

sleepyhead Fri 08-Feb-13 22:20:28

The probiotic isn't present in the Hipp ready made formula because it wouldn't survive the sterilisation process confused

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 22:18:03

Really sleepy? Thats interesting. I just had a quick peep at the WHO guidelines and 70 degrees was still mentioned.

Wonder how they can square that up.

WHO

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 22:15:46

Im happy to run through the guidelines OP if you want.

Its something I looked into a lot, plus I think there are good NHS guidelines.

Id certainly invest in some ready made cartons or bottles of whichever you decide at first when they are feeding very frequently or you will need a kettle on both hands!

I used a bit of both to keep the costs down.

sleepyhead Fri 08-Feb-13 22:15:18

Oddly, I was looking at the Hipp site earlier this afternoon as I wanted to see if it was still vegetarian (it's not), and they are now saying that their powdered formula must be prepared with water between 50-60 degrees.

Apparently it's because they've added a probiotic which will be killed by higher temps hmm. I wonder how they square that with the NHS guidance? It would put me off buying tbh.

Stylostar, congratulations on your soon-to-be newborn.

Probably the best idea imo would be to make sure you understand how to make up formula safely, and then look for the tin shape, equipment, whatever that best suits your lifestyle within those paramaters!?

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 22:09:57

The guidelines have changed ZOO and its the same for all powdered milk, there is a very specific way you need to make it up as they cannot guarantee its 100% sterile using water at 70 degrees fresh each time.

You might have had 2 brands as the rules changed on the box.

My last friend that had a baby said the MWs suggested using ready made for 6 weeks as this is sterile. To be honest I used ready made a LOT re the above guidelines, not great at night!

zoobaby Fri 08-Feb-13 22:06:39

Hi Stylostar. I'm not a FF so don't know answer to this, but have a question that perhaps would help you make your decision. Again, don't even know if this is a real question or imaginary/mistaken. Basically, maybe you should consider how the different brands are prepared. I mention this because in the very early days I was paranoid about DS going hungry on BM so made sure I had some formula on hand. MIL read the tin (Aptamil) and said that it was different to the one her own daughter uses (SMA I believe). She said that it could be prepared in advance and allowed to stay in fridge etc whereas the Apta tin clearly stated not to do this. Yikes! Again, not sure if that's misinformation, and also sure that not everyone follows directions to the letter (I do as too paranoid), but good knowledge to have in advance.

PickledInAPearTree Fri 08-Feb-13 17:42:03

I think the general message is that they are all the same essentially so find whichever one suits you, seems to work ok for the baby, is easy for you to buy and suits your budget and dont feel that you are in any way picking the "wrong" one as essentially, they are nutritionally the same.

stylostar Fri 08-Feb-13 17:25:25

Wow! Thanks for all the helpful advice guys. I really appreciate it. I did wonder why aptimil is more expensive. I guess expense doesn't necessarily mean better then! Xx

saycheeeeeese Fri 08-Feb-13 16:32:26

They're all the same nutritionally I agree, in that one isnt better than the other, but I think you need to try them all or at least a few to see which one suits your baby because, speaking from experience, my dd reacted very differently to a few of them.

That's all I was trying to say smile

tiktok Fri 08-Feb-13 16:14:32

They are all the same in that they have to, by international law, have the same nutritional profile - that does not mean they are all identical in every respect.

The biggest measurable difference between them is probably* the water with which they are made up in people's homes which is also 'the same' but not identical. Also, human being do not make up bottles to exactly the same dilution each time, even when they try to smile

* I am guessing - have no real evidence to prove it!

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