To think only those with life experience should be Minister of a certain topic? (Looking at you education)

(49 Posts)
HoveringKestrel Sat 25-May-13 18:23:53

I wish a party could be formed which has members who are not only fair minded and reasonable but also know what they're talking about.

At the next general election I won't know which party I'll vote for anymore.

iliketea Sat 25-May-13 18:32:47

Nope YANBU. I've often thought that to be Minister of any department you should have appropriate experience. Particularly close to heart is the fact that Jeremy Hunt has no experience of working in healthcare and is minister for health and reforming a system he clearly does not understand. Ditto Michael Gove and his zero education experience.

VinegarDrinker Sat 25-May-13 18:34:27

Yy esp Gove and Hunt - doing untold damage in their respective fields that I fear will be irreversible

OnwardBound Sat 25-May-13 18:35:11

YANBU!!!!

kim147 Sat 25-May-13 18:35:22

Gove went to school so that makes him an expert grin

kim147 Sat 25-May-13 18:36:07

They are supposed to have advisers and experts in their field who they consult on policy and then completely ignore

IncrediblePhatTheInnkeepersCat Sat 25-May-13 18:36:39

YANBU!

OnwardBound Sat 25-May-13 18:37:19

I mean what other job, with such responsibility, would employ someone with limited experience of that particular field?

How on earth are these ministers meant to know their arse from their elbow when they have never had any relevant grassroots experience in healthcare or education?

Euphemia Sat 25-May-13 18:38:29

YANBU.

Here's the biog or the Scottish Education Secretary:

"A graduate of Edinburgh University, from 1974 to 1992 he worked in a variety of media sectors and in a variety of places including Edinburgh, the Western Isles, Inverness and Glasgow."

So he had a paper round, and has lived in a few places. As have I. A graduate of the University of Edinburgh, I at least am a qualified teacher. confused

Dominodonkey Sat 25-May-13 19:05:48

Yanbu - however those with experience have traditonally not been great - estelle Morris was a former teacher but resigned because she wasn't good at being a minister. My issue is that they rarely take advice from those in bog standard positions in the job- it's always heads etc many of whom have not actually taught for decades.

kim147 Sat 25-May-13 19:09:54

And then they are in charge for a few years before going to a new department.

John Major - Foreign Minister, Chancellor of the Exchequor, Prime Minister

lljkk Sat 25-May-13 19:12:19

He went to an elite private school in Scotland. How does that prepare him to run state schools in England?
Anyone?

Finola1step Sat 25-May-13 19:12:29

YANBU. But I do second the Estelle Morris thought - she was pretty useless. The trouble with Gove is his absolute inability to listen to his advisors and his unshakable belief that he is always right.

His u turn over scrapping GCSEs has actually made him worse - he had been even more determined to push through his agenda.

Oh and to make it even worse, if Georgie Boy doesn't start sorting out the economy pretty soon, my money is on Gove unleashing a power battle and becoming the new Chancellor!

Euphemia Sat 25-May-13 19:14:45

Our local council leader spearheaded a campaign to have teachers replaced by "experts" hmm to cover teachers' weekly 2.5 hours' non-contact time, saving huge amounts of money (allegedly) and "enhancing" hmm pupils' education.

There was an outcry from parens and teachers and the plan was halted.

A year later he was elected an MSP and is now Minister for Local Government. hmm

Euphemia Sat 25-May-13 19:15:01

^parents

scaevola Sat 25-May-13 19:23:28

YABU, though I'd like to see more MPs coming from a greater variety of jobs.

But the idea of having a qualification for certain roles in Government could lead to awkward gaps is say, one party had no ex-Service MPs for MoD, or their only ex-teacher was a university don who was a utter twat.

scaevola Sat 25-May-13 19:24:26

Oh, and would it mean bankers only for Chancellor?

kim147 Sat 25-May-13 19:26:32

You'd hope the Home Secretary listens to the views of "M" and the Police.
And the Secretary of State for Defence listens to the Defence Chiefs.

So what's Gove's problem?

<rhetorical question>

I think you could probably take Gove, train him as a teacher, set him to teach for umpteen dozen years, and then see what he'd learned.

It'd be unfair on the children he taught, a waste of money, and he'd come out of it with the same ability to ignore other people's expertise completely.

Some people are just like that.

noblegiraffe Sat 25-May-13 20:04:33

Gove came to my school once. He got a carefully staged tour and met all the nicest kids. One of the teachers commented that he really seemed to listen to what they were saying. I watched him interact with the journalists who turned up to interview him, he was really slick and personable, very good at schmoozing it seems.

It worries me that he can charm people into thinking he's actually a decent bloke who cares about their opinion. The only opinion he actually seems to care about is his own.

HoveringKestrel Sun 26-May-13 04:33:28

Ok scaevola I dont agree with u in the slightest.

ThreeDudesOnABus Sun 26-May-13 06:19:08

hahaha bless you.

HollyBerryBush Sun 26-May-13 06:21:52

The government take their advice from John Atkins who is an Education Tzar, he's head of a chain of academies, and there virtually zero information out there about him. But he was a teacher many moons ago. A very powerful man behind the scenes.

CabbageLooking Sun 26-May-13 06:29:48

I have no problem with ministers not having a background in the area which they oversee. I have a HUGE problem with them not taking advice from people who have studied or working in that area for decades. Gove's biggest problem is that he "only listens to those whose opinions I respect" (i'm paraphrasing) which basically translates as people who already think the same way I do. Oh and he's a massive twat. That's a handicap too.

JennyDee Sun 26-May-13 07:12:42

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