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to think that unless it is exceptional cirucmstances, teachers should not leave mid-year?

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ArseAche Mon 18-Mar-13 16:29:21

Fed up with this. Seems to be the norm these days that teachers just move on in the middle of some of the most critical years at school. Gcse, A level etc years and it is really quite unsettling for those about to take exams. Why not just see the bloody year out for the kids sake?

As I said, exceptional circumstances are fine, but just moving off to another school is pretty damn awful.

Startail Tue 19-Mar-13 11:53:01

Abolishing Ofsted would help grin

cumfy Tue 19-Mar-13 15:06:48

Surprised there aren't bonus structures in contracts to encourage teachers to complete years.

cumfy Tue 19-Mar-13 15:09:43

Sorry Astelia, didn't see your post.

Confusion the bonus would need to be structured so it was revenue neutral.

ie Nationally same pay average.

maddening Tue 19-Mar-13 15:40:08

I think they are restricted enough - only able to take hols in school hols.

You can't dictate so deeply into their lives without paying for that loss of autonomy in one's life.

exoticfruits Tue 19-Mar-13 16:03:49

Of course they should.If they are a permanent contract they have to give a huge notice anyway-I can't see why you want a teacher stuck there because they have to give up to a year's notice. They get pregnant at different times for a start! If a job comes up, in a school they really want, they can't be expected to to pass it up. A lot of teachers retire on their birthdays-they don't all have convenient summer ones.
OhTheConfusion explains it.
Other teachers can take over-the record keeping is all there-no one is indispensable.

I think we need robots for teachers having had
teachers shouldn't leave mid year
teachers should use some of their holiday to run activity clubs
teachers shouldn't have their own children in the school
and probably more!

badguider Tue 19-Mar-13 16:08:52

teachers give a whole term's notice, the question is why can't the school get their finger out and recruit a new teacher in time? most employees only give a month and replacements are found.

exoticfruits Tue 19-Mar-13 16:15:29

I can't think why anyone wants a their child's class to have a teacher who is stuck and mentally marking time until they get out. Much better for them to move- and it is perfectly easy to employ a new one who is enthusiastic and raring to get stuck into a new job.

Siriusstar Tue 19-Mar-13 16:30:15

Badguider, I agree with you. I don't have issues with teachers who leave mid year, it's the leadership that should be the ones held accountable if a succession of supply teachers are used. For one thing, make sure they pull their finger out and employ a full time permanent or full time temporary instead of long term supply. But I would also have questions for the leadership if there was a stream of supply teachers filling in. I would want to know why they are managing the school so poorly that people don't want to work there?

Just be thankful they have to give a term and not a month.

MrsLouisTheroux Tue 19-Mar-13 17:46:57

Sorry if this has already been said but we are contracted to work until the end of each term.

If we want to leave at Christmas, we have to hand in our notice by Autumn half term.
To leave at Easter, the cut off is Feb. half term.
To leave in July, the cut off is Whit.

Basically, a teacher can only leave at Christmas, Easter or Summer holidays. (Unless the HT 'releases' them under special circumstances).

I can't think of any other job where employees have to leave at specified times.

fairylightsinthesnow Tue 19-Mar-13 17:56:21

tbf to the school management, they have no control over who applies for any given post. Supply are a pain for the school (as they can need extra help, back-up etc) and expensive. Most school will advertise in the TES but you can't magic up well qualified staff. Especially in the current climate, people don't want to relocate, move, find their partners jobs etc so you get fewer applicants

Chandon Tue 19-Mar-13 17:57:40

It is only a problem because schools handle it so badly, and get strings of supply teachers in ( why not thae same supply teacher for a whole term?!).

The problem is not with the teachers leaving, but with how it is handled. Ideally a school should have a proper replacement organised, or use the ne ( one only) supply teacher until a permanent teacher is found.

In our primary one class ended up with 4 different teachers in one year, and the class suffered (y2).

teacherwith2kids Tue 19-Mar-13 18:23:24

The very fixed nature of how teachers can give notice is often a hindrance when it comes to replacing a teacher.

Say a teacher (me) gets a job in a new school starting at Christmas. As I have to give half a term's notice, the recruitment for my new job is organised to allow me to do so, and i am offered a job a couple of weeks before that deadline so I can resign on time.

HOWEVER, the school that I taught in until Christmas does not have the time to run a full recruitment round before the deadline. Therefore they cannot recruit an 'already in post' teacher to the vacancy my leaving creates, unless their school is willing to dispense with the usual notice period (the other school's willingness is often inversely proportional to the quality of the teacher, so actually the more you want a candidate, the less likely the school they teach at is to release them fro the usual notice period!)

So the school I am leaving has a choice - to find someone not already in a job (not likely to be the highest calibre of candidates) or to appoint a temporary replacement until Easter, by which time a proper recruitment process can be run and candidates already in post can apply and resign...

dangly131 Tue 19-Mar-13 18:47:22

Chandon, the school can get a supply for the whole term and quite often they are asked if they want a long term placement before they start work. However, supply teachers can refuse to work somewhere they are not happy and I have done previously. I was booked for a whole week at one school but was racially abused by the staff so much I refused to complete the week. I asked never to be sent to that school again. When speaking with colleagues, I found it wasn't a one off and so a complaint was made about the way I was treated. So maybe the reason that supply teachers do not work a full term may be due to how they are treated within the school.

MrsLouisTheroux Tue 19-Mar-13 18:52:05

teacher spot on!

sunshine401 Tue 19-Mar-13 18:58:23

hmm

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