To think that weed is NOT a soft drug?

(58 Posts)
superstarheartbreaker Mon 28-Jan-13 23:53:01

One of my lovely old friends has got back in tough. He's a decent guy and we are going out for a drink but he won't be drinking booze apparently because he's into weed.

I don't know why people get this notion that weed is not as dangerous as alchohol. Ok; alchohol has it's downsides but weed causes psychosis and paranoia, not to mention lethargy. Especially now we have genetically engineered skunk weed. I have smoked weed in the past and it made me go completely loopy and paranoid....but it was seen as 'cool'. I really like this guy but I am going to have to point out that is he's a proper caner we will have to just be friends.

So whos with me on this one; weed IS more dangerous than booze no?

notMarlene Wed 30-Jan-13 00:36:38

grin indeed.

WorraLiberty Wed 30-Jan-13 00:22:46

I don't know, why not?

You brought it up lol

notMarlene Wed 30-Jan-13 00:18:47

The Netherlands. Why?

Very true Worra

I'm not particularly keen on alcohol either

WorraLiberty Wed 30-Jan-13 00:11:44

notMarlene which country are you living in?

Boomerwang Wed 30-Jan-13 00:11:29

The only thing that bothers me is that it's still an illegal substance and I have a fear of being associated with criminal activity (please don't quote 'taping corrie off the tv' at me). However, I think it should be brought in line with other legal but harmful substances like alcohol and tobacco.

If a friend of mine overdid the alcohol I'd step back from the friendship in the same way as if it were someone who was always stoned.

WorraLiberty Wed 30-Jan-13 00:09:15

That does concern me, fucking around with something that could potentially cause schizophrenia? <shudders> One of my friends at school developed it, it's a terrifying illness.

Alcohol abuse can also cause schizophrenia.

In fact, anything that alters the mind can bring it on especially if that person has a predisposition to it...they may not know that until it's too late.

notMarlene Wed 30-Jan-13 00:07:19

I know. The UK culture really is rather unwell sad

Probably should have mentioned that registration and ID are required in said shops. But, yeah, that'd probably be no obstacle in the UK.

It makes me sad that I don't want to bring my children up in my own country, but seriously I'd hate to move back while they're growing up. I didn't plan to have them abroad but TBH I'm very thankful I / they ended up here.

"Because you go to a shop to buy it under age use is much less common"

Being able to buy stuff in shops over here unfortunately does nothing to discourage underage use. We've got an odd culture here really.

"The highest risk seems to be to teenage boys, in the early teen years, who have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia in particular. No idea why that is, but it's while their brains are still developing."

That does concern me, fucking around with something that could potentially cause schizophrenia? <shudders> One of my friends at school developed it, it's a terrifying illness.

On an utterly personal note I could never date a weed smoker as the smell makes me gag.

notMarlene Tue 29-Jan-13 23:25:26

The bottom line for me is that weed is illegal whereas alchohol is not and I don't want to get myself or dd involved in any illegal activities

Quite right. Of course.

And if it was legal and controlled? DP prefers beer, I like wine. We both enjoy a G&T. No drama.

notMarlene Tue 29-Jan-13 23:20:54

Oh, sorry, one last thing.

Because marijuana isn't illegal those suffering problems because of (mis)use or who use it to 'self medicate' have no need to hide the fact from medial folk. Clearly that helps. People who need help are free to seek it with no fear.

Alcohol is your drug of choice, weed is his. You don't need to justify it, it's a choice. Just because alcohol is legal, doesn't make it good.

I have worked in addictions, shelters and rehabs for 20 years. You are wrong, alcohol is more damaging.

notMarlene Tue 29-Jan-13 23:15:49

millions of pounds change hands undetected

I'll get me coat.

notMarlene Tue 29-Jan-13 23:15:00

I don't think the income from tax and licenses harms the economy much either. Definitely better than a massive, unregulated black market where millions change undetected and doing nothing much to boost the economy.

notMarlene Tue 29-Jan-13 23:12:36

And the very idea of buying drugs in supermarkets!! That'd be fab hmm

As it goes that's not the case, they ovoid the unnecessarily public sale of intoxicating stuff - any alcohol stronger than about 15% (so port ok, vodka not) can't be bought in a supermarket has to bought in a 'alcohol shop'.

notMarlene Tue 29-Jan-13 23:08:23

Two wrongs don't make a right. I'd hate to see what would happen if weed became legal. Stupid cafes, supermarkets offering 2 for 1 deals and "nice tasting" weed for the "younger market". The country would go to the dogs in a nano second.

I live in a country where it is legalised (to cut a long story short) and controlled. That is absolutely not how it goes.

Because you go to a shop to buy it under age use is much less common, a social problem than it is in the UK and the use over the population seems to less pervasive than it was my experience in the UK. It's also possible to easily buy weed or hash rather than skunk - from what I've hear it;s hard to get hold of anything that isn't skunk in the UK.

Buying from shops avoids the need to come into dodgy geezers who (again IME) are more often than not happy to sell / track down the odd e / acid tab / whatever drug too.

I'd rather my children lived in this society than the one I grew up in.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 29-Jan-13 21:34:32

Alcohol can cause psychosis as well as causing people to behave violently/become unable to do simple things like negotiate stairs.

People don't often end up homeless because of a weed smoking habit...many alcoholics do.

I don't smoke weed,I do drink. I don't get on my high horse about people who smoke weed though.

You're being a hypocrite OP.

whateveritakes Tue 29-Jan-13 21:06:59

Two wrongs don't make a right. I'd hate to see what would happen if weed became legal. Stupid cafes, supermarkets offering 2 for 1 deals and "nice tasting" weed for the "younger market". The country would go to the dogs in a nano second.

BridgetBidet Tue 29-Jan-13 20:51:41

My husband sometimes smokes weed and I don't, I don't like what it does to him. I can tell when he's had a spliff hours later, and even over the next few days because he can't complete a simple shopping list and gets muddled doing easy tasks and is more irritable. He also becomes incredibly boring when he's stoned.

Having said that my old boss used to be an alcoholic but just smokes weed now and in his case weed is infinitely the preferable one of the two because he was awful when he'd had drink. Maybe your mate is an ex drinker too?

superstarheartbreaker Tue 29-Jan-13 20:51:38

To quote Ellie:

Acohol is linked to certain cancers. Marijuana none. (What about lung cancer through smoking spliffs...ok baccy is involved but still?)

Alcohol can cause brain damage. Marijuana does not.(What about paranoia and drug induced psychosis? Wedd DOES change the brain.)

Alcohol is physically addictive. Marijuana is not. (I don't believe this for a second...why do stoners get so stoned ALL THE TIME? Baccy again or the high gets them hooked?)

Alcohol can cause aggressive behaviour. Marijuana does not. (I've known some very aggressive types who have been into weed)

Meh....weed sucks imo and alchohol is very dodgy but I like the high off booze better.

superstarheartbreaker Tue 29-Jan-13 20:45:34

Hi all. There just seems to be this conspiracy that alchohol is legal but it creates social problems and violence (true) but weed is illegal because it promotes peace and harmony and the goverment don't want that.....is it just me or is that weed induced paranoia? ! grin

I agree that many weed smokers appear chilled...to the point of not being able to get up but really there are dangers aswell. Just as everyone reacts differently to alchohol so everyone reacts differently to weed.

The bottom line for me is that weed is illegal whereas alchohol is not and I don't want to get myself or dd involved in any illegal activities.

quesadilla Tue 29-Jan-13 11:25:55

Worra spot on... yes there are risks from weed, including severe paranoia and psychosis which are not to be underestimated. And the tendency of hippy types to paint it as totally benign was naive.

But the reality that those mental side-effects don't happen to most people. A large number of people smoke weed without any major side effects for years (I and many of my mates did). I know only one person who has ever had major psychological side effects.

Contrast this with alcohol: a much, much larger number of people will suffer damage to their livers/poor relations with family/diminished capacity at work due to alcohol. And that's before you get to alcohol-related violence/car accidents etc.

Yes, weed isn't without risk. And I like a drink as much as the next person. But I'd rather my kid smoked weed than drank heavily every night.

Oblomov Tue 29-Jan-13 11:17:06

Weed may have changed, but it was not like this in my uni days. I smoked a bit. Not regularly. I knew 10's of people who did. 1 later had anxiety and depression issues. I don't think that was particularly the weed. I think that was her nature anyway.
All this, 'it leads to depression and anxiety'. Well it may. in some. but not all. 1/40 people I know it did. 39/40 it did not.
has weed changed so much that these days it is automatically guaranteed to make you depressed and anxious? Every single person?

MrsKeithRichards Tue 29-Jan-13 11:11:10

And weed isn't without its own set of undesirable qualities. I've been a smoker I . the past, for me it came hand in hand with depressive episodes and anxiety. In my stoned stupor it took me a while to realise the weed was causing it, not helping.

Dh continued to smoke (this was pre dc) and I realised how draining a drug it is. He would work every day, but got caned every night, it was boring.

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