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To be surprised at the Bali drugs smuggling outcome

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BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 11:31:52

Just heard today that they expect Lindsay Sandiford to be executed within 24 hours, jeez that was fast. Really expected this to be drawn out and then the sentence eventually commuted to life imprisonment or such.

Lyrasilvertongued Mon 28-Jan-13 14:58:18

This is interesting reading: www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/grandmother-lindsay-sandifords-cocaine-sentence-executing-drug-mules-isnt-just-inhumane-its-also-pointless-8463367.html
I also agree that what she did was wrong, but the article makes a good point about the wrong people in the chain being caught and penalised and the 'kingpins' remaining hidden and continuing the whole process.

DizzyHoneyBee Mon 28-Jan-13 15:06:09

Sticky, so sorry to hear about your son, really feel for you and the hard decisions that you have had to make and live with.

With regard to one drug smuggler being a drop in the ocean, if nothing is done about one because it is "a drop in the ocean", well those drops make the ocean so if nothing has been done about the individual drops then it's going to be a heck of a big ocean one day.

If countries are going to have the death penalty for drug smuggling then it should perhaps be an all or nothing approach - all drug smugglers automatically receive the death penalty or none do?

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 15:06:55

I'm scared for my loved ones, too, 2 childhood friends have died through drugs, and worrying about my DC/DSC getting into drugs is one of my top worry topics. But we spend millions fighting drug crime, and our prisons are overflowing, but kids can still buy drugs. Where do we go from here?

I think the answer to that question is where we will have to agree to disagree.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 15:08:55

Dizzy I was in no way suggesting nothing should be done to punish drug smugglers, just that I don't believe the death penalty can be justified by saying it will solve the global drugs problem.

Lyrasilvertongued Mon 28-Jan-13 15:09:51

Just realised someone posted further up about Dr Fleetwood - however, feel the need to comment on Mosman's statement that she makes her living out of looking into the innocence of women arrested for smuggling - no, she makes her living researching the situations of women who've been arrested and imprisoned for drug smuggling, there is a difference as she is not invested in their perceived innocence/guilt - however in situations like this where someone is claiming coercion I imagine it's the same as any other legal situation where a specialist can comment on the likelihood of someone's story based on years of research and knowledge of the drug industry.

DizzyHoneyBee Mon 28-Jan-13 15:19:29

Fudgeling, I didn't say (or intend to say!) that you were. I don't think it solve the whole drugs problem either but if somebody has committed the crime then it has to be dealt with by the law in that country.

We'd be pretty fed up if the police didn't do anything about crime because it wouldn't solve the national problem; it's about the punishment for the individual who has committed the crime as well as any deterrent. How would the police discourage people from committing crime if they knew that nothing would be done about it? Unfortunately not everybody has qualms about committing crime.

EldritchCleavage Mon 28-Jan-13 15:21:17

I imagine that LS got the death penalty because her claims of coercion simply weren't believed by the court. Without seeing her give evidence and hearing the evidence against her, it just isn't possible to say if that's right or fair or not, Dr. Fleetwood notwithstanding.

How big or small a player in all this she was is also hard to say.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 15:27:13

ok fair enough dizzy, I thought that's what you meant by saying: "if nothing has been done about the individual drops then it's going to be a heck of a big ocean one day".

Again, regarding your second point, I didn't say nothing should be done when people break the law, just that criminals should not be executed.

TheCarefulLaundress Mon 28-Jan-13 15:35:20

Although I am opposed to the death penalty, I honestly think I'd rather face the firing squad than spend several years in an Indonesian prison.

SilverOldie Mon 28-Jan-13 15:51:23

I am also opposed to the death sentence. However, she didn't give a thought to the people who may have used those those drugs, and who may have died as a result.

It's a despicable thing to do and she must have been aware of the penalty for smuggling in the Far East.

So if she is not shot, she should remain in jail over there for a long time.

Sallyingforth Mon 28-Jan-13 15:59:34

Well one good thing has come out of this - the wide publicity should help to persuade other potential 'mules' not to follow her example.
For that reason I believe the sentence should be carried out, or replaced with a genuine whole life sentence in a Bali prison.

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