To be surprised at the Bali drugs smuggling outcome

(86 Posts)
BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 11:31:52

Just heard today that they expect Lindsay Sandiford to be executed within 24 hours, jeez that was fast. Really expected this to be drawn out and then the sentence eventually commuted to life imprisonment or such.

Do you think, had she not been caught, she would have given a shit what misery the drugs she carried would have brought? Do you think she would have felt responsible for any drug related deaths she heard about? I doubt it.

ivykaty44 Mon 28-Jan-13 12:17:24

where do these drug smugglers think the money goes?

there are many reports this is just one

they are working for organised criminals that then use this money to kill our soldiers, how many weeping parents have seen their boys come home through Wootton Bassett in coffins

So no she deserves to die

SamuelWestsMistress Mon 28-Jan-13 12:17:36

Blimey that's really quick. I thought that it could be a while...similar to the way things are in the USA. It's sad and I think the death penalty is a complex and difficult issue, but surely she must have known the risks?

Exactly. She is only sorry she got caught and is banking on the fact that she is British to escape the death penalty!

She is a scum bag pure and simple! One of the big fears I have for the future for my DS is drugs. The sooner people like her are gone the better!

Nixea Mon 28-Jan-13 12:22:45

She seems to have spend most of her life running away from facing up to her debts and responsibilities. This is the rather tragic end result of that. I do have a great deal of sympathy for her loved ones but none at all for her I'm afraid. It's the risk she chose when she decided to smuggle drugs into a country that upholds the death penalty for such a crime.

Darmont Mon 28-Jan-13 12:24:00

Just read the Telegraph which reported 2 hrs ago that she has now filed an official statement to say she is going to appeal, but she doesn't yet have a lawyer and needs to appoint one. It also says the appeals process take several years

hellsbells76 Mon 28-Jan-13 12:26:57

Um, Bridget Jones was not very good fiction...

DizzyHoneyBee Mon 28-Jan-13 12:36:01

I don't agree with the death penalty, however it is common knowledge what the law in Indonesia is and if you don't accept the penalty then don't commit the crime.

5alive4life Mon 28-Jan-13 12:36:31

it clealry states on the immigration card in big black letters accross the top that drugs=death. She had the oppertunity to tell officials that she had been threatened and forced to carry drugs into the country and she did not.

DizzyHoneyBee Mon 28-Jan-13 12:37:40

These people must now be very worried for their future - if they have one.

Step Mon 28-Jan-13 12:49:38

No sympathy.

It's on the card, there's a bloody great sign up in arrivals all telling you you're going to the firing squad if you do it.

At least from 1 metre thay won't miss.

Drugs kill.

ScarlettInSpace Mon 28-Jan-13 12:59:10

I don't agree with the death penalty, however it is common knowledge what the law in Indonesia is and if you don't accept the penalty then don't commit the crime.

I agree totally with that statement. I am completely opposed to the death penalty but conversely I wouldn't commit a crime that carries it knowing full well that was the associated punishment [actually I wouldn't commit that level of crime even if it didn't carry it, but that's probably because i understand the difference between right & wrong]

However, the only source for this story [i.e. that she will be executed in 24 hours] that I can find is the Mirror hmm and they have removed it from their site now so I'd probably question its integrity.

DizzyHoneyBee Mon 28-Jan-13 13:16:28

Same here Scarlett - re the website and whether or not I'd commit the crime.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 13:21:27

what about this statement from the reprieve website?

"Dr Jennifer Fleetwood, who is a specialist on women’s involvement in the international drug trade, will tell a court in Bali that, in her professional opinion, “Lindsay Sandiford was subjected to coercion by one or more parties over a period of time, which led to her being stopped at Ngurah Rai International Airport (Denpasar) in Bali, on the 19th May 2012 carrying in excess of 4 kilograms of cocaine.”

so how can everyone be so sure she is guilty?

and even if she is, why is it ok to murder her?

I'm genuinely interested in the answers to these questions, not at all looking for a fight.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 13:23:14

or rather, yes, she is guilty of committing the crime, but perhaps not the scheming greedy callous monster people are assuming?

JoanByers Mon 28-Jan-13 13:25:46

This whole thread appears to be based on an incorrect story.

No-one in Indonesia has been executed in 4 years. She has just filed an ppeal. www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/british-grandmother-appeals-indonesia-death-sentence/568175

TroublesomeEx Mon 28-Jan-13 13:36:06

fudgeling

If she was carrying in excess of 4kg of cocaine then she is guilty of smuggling/attempting to smuggle drugs. She's not denying that she did is, just why. So she is guilty. It just depends on whether there are associated mitigating circumstances.

No one's saying it's OK to murder her. But that is the law of the country in which she committed the crime, was arrested and will be tried. She knew the risk she was taking. You can't expect to be treated differently because you don't agree with the punishment. It's not how it works.

If she hadn't smuggled the drugs, she wouldn't be facing the death penalty. She thought it was an acceptable risk to take when she wasn't getting caught. It's unlikely for people to get caught on their actual first offence so who knows how much money she's made from it over the years.

Without people like this woman, willing to take the big risks for the big rewards, there would be no drugs problem.

so how can everyone be so sure she is guilty?

She is guilty, there is no doubt of that. I believe she said her children were being threatened, but (and I could be wrong) they weren't being held by anyone. She had oppourtunity to get them moved, or report the people who were 'forcing' her before she smuggled the drugs, or any manner of other things than blindly go along with this.

and even if she is, why is it ok to murder her?

Whether we agree or not with the death penelty (and I think I possibly stand alone on MN that I actually do agree with it to a certain extent) that is the law there. She knew the consequences and carried on anyway.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 13:41:46

folk I realised that after my first post, and wrote another one straight after - I meant to ask what people thought about the mitigating circumstances argument.

But what I don't get is people saying they are against the death penalty, but in the same breath adding that she deserves to die because that's the law in Indonesia. Surely if you are against the death penalty then you think it's worng regardless of the law in any given country?

I get that what she did was wrong btw.

lovelyladuree Mon 28-Jan-13 13:42:18

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 13:43:12

Missy yes I have a few problems with her argument, too.

helenthemadex Mon 28-Jan-13 13:44:28

I do think that the people who do this type of thing assume that because they are British they wont be executed and will serve any sentence they are given in a British prison

she is not the organiser but she did knowingly commit the crime, and not for the first time, this was not a small amount it was nearly 11lbs, does she deserve to die for it? well she knew the punishment she would face when she commited the crime.

Another point that occured to me is that she supposedly did this because she was worried about her children, but whe she was arrested she cooperated with the police, surely this action would have put her family at even more risk, I know some were arrested but not all of them

I am going to be lazy and agree with everything Missy says - she puts it so much better than me!

TroublesomeEx Mon 28-Jan-13 13:46:15

Sorry fudgeling blush

Didn't read past that post before replying!

No one's saying that she deserves to die though. That's the point.

I don't think she deserves to die (except that if I did agree with the death penalty I think she'd be amongst the group of people I'd want it reserved for ) but that is the law of the country in which she committed the crime and she can't expect to be tried according to British Law in Indonesia.

You can't pick and choose which law you want to be tried/punished under. She knew the risk she was taking and was happy to do so. I wouldn't want to risk the death penalty so I would neither travel to a country which had it nor commit a crime which carried it.

BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 13:51:09

Maybe the information I heard earlier about the 24 hour thing is wrong then. Wouldn't be surprised as it normally takes much longer for the sentence to be carried out if it does get carried out.

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