to think Rotherham council have lost the plot over UKIP foster-carers?

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londonone Sat 24-Nov-12 09:23:19

bbc

I really really hope there is more to this than is being reported, otherwise I am utterly speechless.

piprabbit Sat 24-Nov-12 09:54:21

From what I can make out, Rotherham council think that this point in the UKIP Immigration Policy:

"End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies"

is incompatible with the requirement that foster parents:

"Help [the children] to feel positive about their origins, religion and culture".

They do seem to have a point TBH and I'm sure that there is more to the decision to actually remove the children.

LoopsInHoops Sat 24-Nov-12 09:54:41

Absolutely right call to foster them elsewhere.

bradywasmyfavouriteking Sat 24-Nov-12 09:55:22

Brady ? Did you mean to link to something that failed to back your point up?

I linked to their policy. High backs up their feelings on immigration.

Did you mean to sound so rude?

As someone who was not born in this country i would imagine you know exactly what support Ukip means.

ariadneoliver Sat 24-Nov-12 09:55:25

The original article in the Telegraph says that the couple were former Labour voters presumably Rotherham explored social beliefs during its assessment of this couple, there's no indication that their underlying beliefs have changed radically they seem to have just switched parties.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 09:56:02

What is wrong with ending the promotion of multiculturalism? Shouldn't these country be brought up to be British and proud of their country?

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 09:56:45

"As someone who was not born in this country i would imagine you know exactly what support Ukip means. "
What does it mean?

MissCellania Sat 24-Nov-12 09:56:48

If the UKIP policy is, as they say, to end the practice of multicultaralism, then it was the right decision. Why would you want multicultural children to be fostered with people who don't believe in it?

CremeEggThief Sat 24-Nov-12 09:57:13

Why did the council place them with this couple in the first place? Did their political preferences only come to light afterwards? confused

I feel sorry for the children, as now they have been put through more emotional upheaval that could have been avoided sad.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 10:00:07

What are "multicultural children". What should parents be doing with multicultural children differently than with non-multicultural children?

bradywasmyfavouriteking Sat 24-Nov-12 10:00:09

cozy supporting them means actively seeking and end to immigration and multi culturalism.

I am not saying they can't be foster caters. But not to these children. These children are from a different culture and possibly could end up feeling that that is wrong.

Dawndonna Sat 24-Nov-12 10:00:27

Enforce the existing terms of the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees until Britain replaces it with an Asylum Act. To avoid disappearances, asylum seekers will be held in secure and
humane centres until applications are processed, with limited right to appeal. Those seeking asylum must do so in the first ‘designated safe country’ they enter. Existing asylum seekers who have had their application refused will be required to leave the country, along with any dependants. We oppose any amnesties for failed asylum seekers or illegal immigrants.

Repeal the 1998 Human Rights Act and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. In future British courts will not be allowed to appeal to any international treaty or convention that overrides or sets aside the provisions of any statue passed by the UK Parliament

End the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government and all publicly funded bodies

All taken from the UKIP policy document on immigration. I too would have serious concerns about a family voting UKIP under these circumstances. It is the acceptable face of racism and when looked at clearly absolutely no different to the BNP.

As for the gentleman from Sri Lanka who lost his job at a Nottingham post office for refusing to serve customers who were unable to speak English. UKIP were jumping on a bandwagon.

bradywasmyfavouriteking Sat 24-Nov-12 10:03:00

What should parents be doing with multicultural children differently than with non-multicultural children?

Embracing, exploring BOTH cultures perhaps. Making it clear its ok to be part of both culture?

Bsegetti and pip have already said most of what I wanted to. grin

OP what Erik said is completely acceptable. Why would you place non-British children with a British couple whose stated political alliance is with a party who want to ban the 'promotion of multiculturalism'?

Tryharder Sat 24-Nov-12 10:04:07

I think this sets a dangerous precedent. If you don't vote for the right people, you will have your 'privileges' removed. This sort of thing frightens me.

I think most people see UKIP as a party that seeks to take us out of the EU which is a valid viewpoint. Presumably, if the couple in question were racist, they wouldn't have chosen to foster mixed race children.

In any case, there seems to be the opinion that mixed race = immigrant which is not true at all. My DCs are mixed race and they are 'English' by their own definition.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 10:05:15

That just sounds like "Modern Parents" nonsense. Sorry but this sort of things makes me really angry. Rotherham council are fucking awful, and the people there just keep voting Labour and their town just keeps getting worse.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 10:07:09

"OP what Erik said is completely acceptable. Why would you place non-British children with a British couple whose stated political alliance is with a party who want to ban the 'promotion of multiculturalism'? "
Would you place British children with a couple whose stated political allegiance is with a party who wants to promote multiculturalism?

Is multiculturalism inherently "good" and people who don't believe in it inherently "bad"?

bradywasmyfavouriteking Sat 24-Nov-12 10:07:13

any case, there seems to be the opinion that mixed race = immigrant which is not true at all. My DCs are mixed race and they are 'English' by their own definition.

I don't see that.

MrsDeVere Sat 24-Nov-12 10:07:37

Absolutely right decision to move them.
Any foster Carer, whatever their political alliance, would get the same treatment.
If they were openly supporting doctrines that went against the agreement they made when they became foster carers.

It's not rocket science.

The children come first. If you cannot challenge your dislike of multiculturalism and immigration you have no business being a Carer for children who are immigrants/children of immigrants.

Actively supporting a party that is open about its stance on the above is the opposite of challenging isn't it?

Cozy What is wrong with ending the promotion of multiculturalism? Shouldn't these country be brought up to be British and proud of their country?

But these children aren't British. Why can't they be proud of their heritage? It is possible to have British citizenship but be from a different culture - Bengali, Nigerian, name any country you like. I have loads of British friends whose parents are from different countries and cultures, and they follow the traditions of both backgrounds. That is multiculturalism - please explain to me why it is a bad thing?

Dawndonna Sat 24-Nov-12 10:10:50

These children are not UK children according to the BBC.
Therefore they should not be placed with people who support a party that believe these children should not be here.

Cozy
Is multiculturalism inherently "good" and people who don't believe in it inherently "bad"?
Misguided perhaps?

MrsDeVere Sat 24-Nov-12 10:10:58

tryharder I know a fair few openly racist people who have chosen to give birth to mixed race children and their income doesn't depend on it.

I don't care about this couple tbh. The children are the most important. Sibling groups are not easy to place so this decision was not taken on a whim.

The couple knew what they were doing when they joined ukip.

Boo hoo

bradywasmyfavouriteking Sat 24-Nov-12 10:14:05

Is multiculturalism inherently "good" and people who don't believe in it inherently "bad"?

No. Its an opinion. Which I believe we are all having.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 10:14:35

I think multiculturalism is misguided. I support UKIP. It's disgusting that people can have their children taken away from them for their political beliefs. This is only going to further racial tension, something Rotherham already has enough of.

Cozy9 Sat 24-Nov-12 10:15:40

Orwells 1984 is becoming more and more true to life. Shame so few on the left can see it.

Dawndonna Sat 24-Nov-12 10:18:33

Orwell's 1984 is becoming more and more relevant, but not in this particular case.

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