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To think that the ex-potential client is a complete nutbag and I haven't done anything wrong?(60 Posts)
Got a number of a business associate of mine to give a call to her client as they might need my services. Spoke on Sat, well left a voicemail, than she called back and left a voicemail too as I didn't hear it. she said it would be great to have a chat in the evening. that was early-ish afternoon.
at 6ish I texted her that I would only be able to talk after 8.30pm and asked whether it's not too late. No response, OK I thought. she's busy. Then at 7.30pm I texted again saying I actually finished earlier and can call now but asked what she prefers. No response. I know there were some issues with the network she was on so I assumed that was it.
I thought she'd get in touch on Monday and I didn't want to bombard with trying to get through to her. Called just now on the work number, someone who sounded like her picked up and claimed no memory of us speaking earlier and quickly finished our conversation. She said her name was not Jane (made up name).
1) I'm sure it was her. She's the main person in the office.
2) What the hell did I do wrong?
3) Why couldn't she just say, tahnks but no thanks, we don't need you anymore?
I think i had a lucky escape there but what else could have I done differently? . She sounded older so maybe that's it (different expectations re texting etiquette?) but still...
I wouldn't be bothered usually, just chuck it down to experience but I was a bit taken aback because it was sort of arranged beforehand by someone else. Now Im wondering what she'll say to the acquitance .
Very Odd OP.
Funny enough I,ve recently been in this sort of position.
I'm going to be made redundant soon and was talking to a sort of friend of mine (her son and mine were very good pals in primary school and I often looked after her son) who worked in a nursery (is now a nanny), she told me she knew various people in the nursery and they'd cut their right arms off to have me. Leave it to her she said and she would have a word for me etc.
Well, I saw her a couple of weeks later and she yet again said she'd do this. Then absolutely nothing. Ran into her and she said she'd swapped phones (her phone was dead at the moment) but still had my number and would go home and text me. Nothing.
I saw her the other day and she went the colour of a tomato and blustered some excuse.
Blimey, it wasn't me that friggin asked her!
What an absolute nutter.
No, you didn't over text in my opinion, you were keen and that's surely what they should want.
i dont think you have been pushy or text heavy at all
but also think, it really might not have been her you spoke too???? me and my sister sound identical on the phone
she might still call you??
I definitely don't think you did anything wrong! I think it's entirely appropriate to text to fix a time when it's an evening call. She sounds weird.
Depends how you text. I think you have to be quite formal or it is annoying, and I would be put off by you changing your mind within an hour.
She is odd if she denied remembering you called .... but you didn't have a conversation? You were leaving voicemails/texts, so no wonder she didn't know who you were if you said you'd had a conversation with her.
mynewpassion Tue 16-Oct-12 19:04:04
Texting potential clients is unprofessional
If I had been her I wouldn't have had anything further to do with you. Sorry if that seems harsh - you might need to reassess the way you do things. Texting is for lovestruck teenagers not business professionals.
So Madge you think it is better to leave someone waiting for your call rather than to let them know by text that you can't really? Now that pisses me off if I wait for a call and then the person doesn't call. I would have appreciated a heads up in such situation.
Sending a text message is not unprofessional if it is done in standard English rather than txt spk. My colleagues and I use it all the time and we work in the City. It is a mode of communication which is quick and way to use, gets to a person when they are not at their computer (I.e. when they are in a meeting so can't speak on the telephone) and saves us all hours and hora of telephone tag.
OP - if she wanted to speak to you that evening, you were fine to send both texts. It appears she just changed her mind and was unable to communicate that to you for whatever reason.
Business has moved with the times. People use calling, texting, emailing, face to face meetings, online meetings, They are all normal and acceptable methods of communication.
I don't think you were unreasonable for texting to say you could only call at unusual time and to check that was ok, OP. I would go back to the mutual contact and check the details.
I don't think you were wrong at all OP. Texting in that situation shows that you are trying to provide a solution to her need. I take it the missed phone calls you shared were to mobiles? If so far less intrusive to send a text letting her know you were available should she require. All the posters saying it was unprofessional obviously aren't up with the times on communication. My client and I have just texted each other this evening - not intrusive but he knows ringing me won't be welcomed and an email might not get read until tomorrow so a politely worded text is fine and vice versa if I want to contact him immediately I will text. I don't think you should have phoned quite so quickly but also if there was a well known network problem probably a good idea. I employ a lot of people and often overlook the odd email where they need something and a text is a great reminder for me without being too intrusive! I think the woman probably has other reasons for not following up but if it were me I certainly wouldn't take it personally.
I don't think you bombarded. You left one vm - she left one back asking yout o call THAT evening. As you couldn't call until after 8.30, which you quite rightly and understandingly thought might be late you asked if it was OK to call then. The text re being able to call at 7.30 I possibly might just have called, but I think it was fine to text - and if she wanted to call she would have done so or texted back asking you to call. She obviously doesnt need you anymore - bizarre phone behaviour from her today.
Love all the replies suggesting texting is unprofessional. When many workplaces - including mine- use our interoffice instant messaging systems. You know, like teenagers on Skype
Would love to know what the "extremely unprofessional" brigade do for a living......
I'm with fuckwittery. Much less intrusive to text and "professional" as had already made more formal telephone contact stating she wished to talk - and clearly you were texting so she wouldn't be inconvenienced.
Of course you would have had to sign off the text in full so she knew who you were. Doesn;t explain bizarre telecon next day though.
Texting can be completely professional! I've had texts from directors of FTSE 100 companies for heavens sake! Sometimes it's the most convenient way to say "can't talk, will email contract" or something similar. You wouldn't want to have an extended conversation, but in the OP's place, 2 short texts following up what was pitched to her as a request from them for help was entirely appropriate.
No idea what the woman today was up to, unless it really wasn't her; could it have been a temp covering the required role who thought dismissing "cold callers" was part of her job?
Could it be that it's not you or her but the acquaintance that has been over keen in giving you the number of this person to call. Perhaps you weren't as needed as acquaintance made out?
As for the texts - it's 2012. As long as they were written in correct English rather than text speak I think the texts you sent in the circumstances were fine.
I gave the name of the mutual acquaintance when I first called and then today. If it was someone else in the office why didn't they say "oh, let me pass you to Jane" or "let me take the message"? Hmmm, she sounded very keen in her first voicemail so I don't know..
Maybe those who say it's unprofessional to text work in, I don't know, NHS or local government. I can imagine texting could be out if place. But in the private small business sector? People do business on Twitter for Pete's sake. And Facebook and LinkedIn. You could say she was unprofessional to want to talk after working hours. I was just trying to accommodate her .
Thanks for all the contributions.
Drinks don't get hung up on the "unprofessional" crowd. I work for a FTSE 100 so it's not just small businesses - look at all the responses from obvious successful career women. And also take a look round the more popular threads on AIBU you only have to skim through the hand washing thread to see the calibre of some of the "unprofessional" brigade!!
Did I miss something? It was only 2 texts, right? And that was after playing phone voicemail tag. What's excessive in two texts trying to tee up a convenient time to talk???
She sounds like a nutter, if that was her.
Spam I'm in the unprofessional brigade, I have my own business and am a marketing consultant handling large budgets for a public body. Previously brand management for Blue Chip so please drag your head out of your arse and take a breath.
Yes I use text day to say with colleagues people I have a relationship with. Text to a new contact pushing new business is still not appropriate until a relationship has been formalised.
The assessment on here is that it's a quick and simple time saver, absolutely, but that's not for NBDevelopment where you need to nurture. So yes it absolutely might be that the woman didn't like (as many wouldn't) that method of approach.
Though as I said pretending to be someone else (if it truly was her) is just weird.
I would hardly call her a nutjob!
I don't think you 'inundated' her with texts but I would say next time make yourself stop at one. You didn't need to text to bring the conversation forwarded by an hour.
It's amazing how many people text before properly thinking - and that's where I think the danger of texting re work stuff lies. Because it's such an immediate, informal medium people forget to use it professionally.
I know someone who routinely texts four or five times about arranging meeting etc, changing date and time or adding bits of info. No, stop and think for a minute. Send one text, keep it succint and friendly and professional.
I love text and email as I am phone phobic - but on balance, even in today's world, I do think texting sends out the wrong message and is unprofessional unless you know the client or colleague well.
Have I got this right? you rang her and she didn't answer, so you left a message.
She returned your call but didn't get you, and left you a message.
Between these messages it was agreed that you would talk in the evening.
you then contact her to clarify that 'evening' in this case means after 8:30 ( a reasonable thing to do. It is quite late. Most people would assume maybe 6-7 if it's a late business related call) You didn't do this on your voicemail because you didn't know you wouldn't be available until then.
Later on, you realise you can be available sooner and you contact her again to ask whether she would prefer you to call then, or would she be happier to stick to the 8:30 you had previously said.
you were not excessive in your communications, imo. I run my own business and would not think someone was harassing me if they sent me two texts. There is a difference between pestering someone and necessary updates.
However, I don't like texts in business. I particularly wouldn't want texts from someone attempting to pitch to me. I view texts as too casual for initial communications. They're a thing used further down the line, imo. Even email would be preferable. I wouldn't dump someone for it, but I wouldn't like it.
I think she was childish to pretend the way she did (if she did - unless it really wasn't her, you didn't misdial, etc). I would assume that she lacks confidence or assertiveness and pretending nobody worked there of that name was preferable than saying that she didn't wish to proceed.
You should just leave it now.
SPAM you're name is very very appropriate. And job on with your 'read the mummies on here to see unprofessionalism'. It's a parenting site, not a business forum.
Also...what Hecate said.
Fwiw I don't think you were overkeen.
Relatedly I received an unsolicited head hunters email asking me to apply for a job. I emailed back asking for more details etc which was duly provided.
Then I said sure lets chat. And he disappeared. Completely. I emailed again saying lets chat. And again no reply.
I didn't even approach him! If they'd found someone better fine! He could have just said sorry! Sheesh.
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