Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

[ZombieMumEB]

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

[Belencha]

@Helleofabore

And yet, this is from their about page.

“AJA is a membership-based community organisation guided by authentic Torah values, as well as centre-right, conservative Australian values.”

And if you look up the author of that article, Oscar Kaspi-Crutchett, seems to be an ALP political activist working with the current government. It does seem that currently anyone not in the ALP or Australian Greens is under the blanket of ‘far right’.

I would be suspicious of anyone labelling anyone ‘far right’ these days.

They invited white supremacist Lauren Southern to Australia in 2018

www.australianjewishnews.com/tawdry-and-juvenile/

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/alt-right-star-racist-propagandist-has-no-regrets/616725/

[Onnabugeisha]

@FOJN

You posted a tweet by XYZ and tried to pass it off as what “the neo-Nazis [NSN] are saying”.

Correct and XYZ are neo Nazis, you're the one putting NSN in brackets and trying to change what I said.

So there is no double standard as you can post what XYZ have said, so long as you do not claim it was said by NSN.

Good job I said neo Nazis rather than NSN then.

You posted saying that they were “the” neo-Nazis, not “some other” neo-Nazis. Keep digging that hole.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

‘My lot’ are WPUK and we have facilitated none of this.

Are they now.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

You'd think so but no women speaking are much more of a threat and must be silenced whilst a group of men stroll by doing Nazi salutes are ignored by the antifascists?

You couldn't make it up

Indeed.

[Helleofabore]

@Belencha

They invited white supremacist Lauren Southern to Australia in 2018

www.australianjewishnews.com/tawdry-and-juvenile/

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/alt-right-star-racist-propagandist-has-no-regrets/616725/

He invited her to walk freely in Bondi or Caulfield. That is not ‘inviting her to Australia’.

You can certainly accuse him of naïveté in that she would have used the opportunity, if she had done it, to learn as much as she could from the experience of talking to community there. Or that the community would support his invite to walk there.

Or that he used the opportunity to make a point that the Jewish population wouldn’t be violent in comparison to her warning from
police regarding Lakemba Mosque which is misguided at the very least.

But the things you posted again doesn’t not show he is ‘far right’.

He also has stated “AJA does not endorse or agree with all her views.”

In your article.

“After Lauren being blocked from walking in Lakemba we invited her to walk in the Jewish areas of Sydney and Melbourne. No security needed. She can talk to anyone,” the AJA tweeted on Sunday. A longer AJA post on Facebook clarified “AJA does not endorse or agree with all her views.”

I am not making excuses for him, he seems to be able to defend himself.

“Adler told The AJN the AJA “would not want anything to do with anything” connected to the Antipodean Resistance.”

“The only context for inviting Lauren Southern to walk in Jewish areas of Sydney or Melbourne is to make the point that security would not be needed and she would not be prevented from safely talking to anyone,” he said.”

You don’t seem to be able to support your claim about the AJA being far right. And I am not sure why you are keen to do so, but so far you seem to be relying on biased reporting stating they are ‘far right’ and a balanced report pointing out Adler said something that didn’t work out the way he has clarified that he intended it.

Perhaps it is just another delve into ‘guilt be association’ with the same level of ‘she took a selfie’ or ‘that person stood close by’ as happens with Kellie Jay.

[FOJN]

‘My lot’ are WPUK and we have facilitated none of this.

Well that explains everything.

Started with so much potential but now expend more energy on opposing women they don't like that spreading a positive message about what they stand for. Spiteful, bitter and dick pandering.

You need to prostrate with more conviction if you want the brosocialists to stop shitting on you.

[Helleofabore]

@Onnabugeisha

You posted saying that they were “the” neo-Nazis, not “some other” neo-Nazis. Keep digging that hole.

Why is it relevant though?

You posted The Age article, and thank you, because it has led to getting the names of Sewell and Bull (the policeman’s son) and more names are coming forward. So we are getting a clear picture of who was there.

OK, Sewell was there, unmasked. The group had been known to have adopted that black attire, that Vic Police should have know this. Sewell has been on the media before.

And again, the question remains why the Police allowed them to do what the group did? Are the Victorian Police not well enough trained in these instances to recognise this group?

It certainly raises questions. They allowed a potentially dangerous situation to occur for both the women and the trans people.

[Helleofabore]

Let’s get down to how ridiculous this really is.

So, Onnabugeisha, are you now aligned with the neo Nazis because they are fighting against paedophilia? How will you denounce such alignment sufficiently? And will you denounce that every time you post from now on?

Will WPUK have to denounce you now too? What can they do to make sure they are sufficiently separated from you that you working for the same things that these neo Nazis are working for doesn’t reflect poorly on them?

[LittleFingerStrength]

@BethDuttonsTwin

It is crystal clear that the shit clod that is “Far Right” is the only one they have been able make stick even slightly to KJK, due to her refusal to bow to current culturally and politically dominant party lines around various identity groups. So now, ably assisted by the inflexible purity demands of certain academic feminists, those clods are being flung as hard and swiftly as possible in order to try to discredit and silence an engaging and relatable woman, with a huge platform and voice, who is making a huge impact on the debate. How this isn’t obvious to so many is unfathomable. I can only assume those going along with it are either too lacking in critical thinking ability to see it or have their own sly reasons for pretending it’s true.

Envy is likely why, as they were given the same kind of platform, most were behind them (WPUK in particular got into a purity spiral and basically told many to get lost, like Angela Rayner, so we did) they have achieved very little in comparison.

Most of us have our different views to KJK in various areas yet we agree with her on this matter and are delighted that she is achieving great publicity for the women speaking and raising public awareness.

[Helleofabore]

@Onnabugeisha

🤣 Of course neo-NAZIs stand with KJK. I have been saying for ages KJK is a liability to women’s rights. Any feminist with any morals has distanced herself from her by now.

Why? Because this isn’t the first time for KJK insofar as links to the religiously intolerant.

Theres the long and overtly friendly podcast she did with white supremacist neo nazi Jean Gapriey in Canada. There’s the selfie of her with Holocaust denier Hans Johansen when she attended a known anti-Semite conference. The collaboration with the Christian Religious Right organisations in the US including using Proud Boy armed thugs as “personal security”. Plus her many friendly pod casts with Carl Benjamin, Hearts of Oak founder which replaced the Tommy Robinson’s EDL, on his Lotus Eaters channels. And that’s just from memory. I’m sure if I took the time to do more digging, I’d find more questionable shit she’s been up to lately.

You’d have to have a lot of blind faith if you seriously think KJK has no ties and no associations to racist neo-nazis at this point or to believe her blonde bimbo, “I didn’t know so and so was like that at all 🥹 Oops, I did it again. 🥺 oh, and please send me money for legal fees as I’m being oppressed- click to leave a prayer or click to transfer cash to my account.”

Theres the long and overtly friendly podcast she did with white supremacist neo nazi Jean Gapriey in Canada. There’s the selfie of her with Holocaust denier Hans Johansen when she attended a known anti-Semite conference. The collaboration with the Christian Religious Right organisations in the US including using Proud Boy armed thugs as “personal security”. Plus her many friendly pod casts with Carl Benjamin, Hearts of Oak founder which replaced the Tommy Robinson’s EDL, on his Lotus Eaters channels. And that’s just from memory. I’m sure if I took the time to do more digging, I’d find more questionable shit she’s been up to lately."

Since you have made such claims, please post your evidence here so we can all look and think about what you have presented. Links to each and every podcast that you have mentioned, and proof that the security she used was indeed men from the Proud Boys, and the 'collaborations' she has done.

Looking forward to the links for the :

Jean Gapriey podcast
Evidence that she attended an 'anti-semite' conference and was there supporting anti-semitism
the many podcasts with Carl Benjamin

Let's see what Kellie Jay is saying on these and evaluate what she is saying rather than continuing with this fucked up guilt by association that is happening. Let's dispute what she says and stopped the fucked up ad-hominem attacks.

Have you done the same thing for Julie Bindel by the way and denounced Julie for talking and writing for impure media? Or is it the person you continue to denigrate with phrases like 'blonde bimbo' that you particularly love doing?

Looking forward to these links because without them, we cannot judge who you are talking about and what Kellie Jay has done that warrants such personal attack from you.

[Datun]

‘My lot’ are WPUK and we have facilitated none of this.

No way!!!

I mean I know WPUK put politics before feminism, and have a bee in their bonnet about KJK because she ignores politics. But you go out of your way to pore over everything she says and does and call her patriarchal names, like 'blonde bimbo'.

Do they know you are here representing them???

[Bosky]

@Onnabugeisha

‘My lot’ are WPUK and we have facilitated none of this.

I agree NSN will not stop with the “T” in LGB which is why it is abhorrent that KJK has collaborated and associated with these sorts of hate mongering people for years. Her chickens are coming home to roost and sorry but you cannot pin this on feminists like me who have been telling you and warning you about KJK repeatedly.

This is on everyone that continues to support, fund and defend KJK.

Onnabugeisha - "‘My lot’ are WPUK"

I genuinely appreciate this clarification as I really do find it impossible to distinguish between male trans activists and "WPUK women" based on their interminably repeated anonymous posts, tediously obsessing about KJK on Mumsnet and Twitter.

Could you clarify further? In what way are WPUK "your lot"?

WPUK is not a membership organisation. Are you one of the Directors of WPUK?

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13308625/officers

Are the views you express those of WPUK, ie. on behalf of WPUK?

Or are you just an enthusiastic supporter?

What "WPUK women" refer to as "fan girls", "acolytes" and "zombies" when wishing to denigrate women who support SFW and KJK?

Is there a "WPUK Glossary of Terms Approved for Use by Socialist Feminists" in which I can see the WPUK definition of "Bimbo"?

[Helleofabore]

I just remembered where I had seen 'Hans Johansen' mentioned before.

If I remember correctly, the conference was organised by Steigan under the name Mot Dag. I encourage anyone to go out and find information about Pal Steigan because it is very interesting to see the lack of consistency about what this man believes. It seems that he is a Marxist who has made errors in judgement in the past, but continues to want to encourage discussion and freedom of speech. But is also now called 'far right'. It seems incongruous but a life long Marxist is now 'far right'.

He ran a conference on gender identity which Kellie Jay attended and spoke at. Here are the other speakers:

Marit Ronstad

She is discussing ROGD. You know, that medical phenomenon that does not happen according to extreme trans activists who are putting teenagers at significant risk through the denial?

Here is her profile on Genspect:

genspect.org/team/

Marit Halvorsen

A law professor discussing the impact of gender laws in Norway. She is one of Norway's leading health law experts and has a history in women's rights studies and campaigning.



Lars Akerhaug

Talking about the laws being passed around gender identity from an investigative journalist point of view. It seems that Lars is from the left.




And some music from Hungry Hearts performing Laika & Vagina Anthem.



The information says:

Hungry Hearts is a lesbian artist collective that has participated in over 50 international film festivals, the Norwegian "Høstutstillingen" (Autumn Exhibition), CODE, European Song Contest, and The Norwegian Opera with short films, concerts and performances. Hungry Hearts' first album Dyke Forever was released in 2016. In 2018, Hungry Hearts was refused to perform Vagina Anthem at Haugar Vestland Kunstmuseum after pressure from transactivists claiming Vagina Anthem could be perceived as offensive by some transgender people. The recording of the telephone call (in Norwegian) from the museum is part of the performance.

I remember this because a male poster who was simply repeating the crap he read off wikipedia as a means to portray Kellie Jay as a far right supporter, just as posters on this thread are doing. He says he wrote to this Hans Johansen bloke and asked if Johansen was 'platformed' at the conference. He got no reply before he flounced from MN apparently. No proof was shown that Johansen had anything to do with the conference, apart from he was there and took a selfie.

How fucked up is this world when a speaker at a conference has to now demand credentials of every single person they have a 'selfie' with or even answer a question from? But here we are. (Have we had sufficient denial yet of 'alignment' with neo-nazis who want to defend children from paedophiles?)

Shall we address what each of these people who were at this conference said and discuss their wrong think and point out the false information they have given? I welcome onnabugeisha's analysis on these speakers and why the world should dismiss what they say!

You know, rather than using this conference as a blunt tool to discredit Kellie Jay Keen? Or should a speaker never attend and give their point of view at a conference unless they fully agree to every single value that the organisers have (now and in the future, published and unpublished)? Because I was always under the impression that a conference should have a range of views presented so people can listen and make up their own minds? No? Guess that is just not the right type of conference structure then.

[Helleofabore]

@Datun

‘My lot’ are WPUK and we have facilitated none of this.

No way!!!

I mean I know WPUK put politics before feminism, and have a bee in their bonnet about KJK because she ignores politics. But you go out of your way to pore over everything she says and does and call her patriarchal names, like 'blonde bimbo'.

Do they know you are here representing them???

I am waiting for them to deny association with anyone who also defends children against paedophilia. It is a shocking thing when you find yourself on the same side, but you know, this is the fucked up world we are now living in apparently.

I do not say this lightly. I am not making light of it because it must be fucked up to not want to defend children from paedophilia. But because the logic must be applied consistently otherwise it has simply shone a light on the fuckwittery and hateful bullying towards Kellie Jay.

[Helleofabore]

"What "WPUK women" refer to as "fan girls", "acolytes" and "zombies" when wishing to denigrate women who support SFW and KJK?"

"Is there a "WPUK Glossary of Terms Approved for Use by Socialist Feminists" in which I can see the WPUK definition of "Bimbo"?"

Looking forward to these answers too Bosky.

Gosh how wonderful that we have one of the WPUK 'lot' here! And that people reading along will see what the WPUK have been working for, and where their attention has been and what 'their' followers say!

Maybe it will get picked up on twitter as one of WPUK's lot here representing them so well on MN FWR! Readers.... you saw it here first!

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

You don’t seem to be able to support your claim about the AJA being far right. And I am not sure why you are keen to do so, but so far you seem to be relying on biased reporting stating they are ‘far right’ and a balanced report pointing out Adler said something that didn’t work out the way he has clarified that he intended it.

Perhaps it is just another delve into ‘guilt be association’ with the same level of ‘she took a selfie’ or ‘that person stood close by’ as happens with Kellie Jay.

Yes, there is always a stretching of the facts with these people. It's a feature of the trans rights movement, I don't trust anything they say. I always have to follow any media claim back to the original source. Because they lie by omission, most frequently but often just misrepresent the situation completely, or outright invent things.

[OneMorePlant]

@Helleofabore

"What "WPUK women" refer to as "fan girls", "acolytes" and "zombies" when wishing to denigrate women who support SFW and KJK?"

"Is there a "WPUK Glossary of Terms Approved for Use by Socialist Feminists" in which I can see the WPUK definition of "Bimbo"?"

Looking forward to these answers too Bosky.

Gosh how wonderful that we have one of the WPUK 'lot' here! And that people reading along will see what the WPUK have been working for, and where their attention has been and what 'their' followers say!

Maybe it will get picked up on twitter as one of WPUK's lot here representing them so well on MN FWR! Readers.... you saw it here first!

I also look forward to these answers by @Onnabugeisha

[Helleofabore]

Can we also now get a definition of 'socialist' and 'marxist' that applies today? Because Sewell's group is the National Socialist Network and Pal Steigen who apparently hosted the Mot Dag conference is a noted Marxist.... We have an ALP government insider calling centrists 'far right' too.

It all reinforces the feeling that labels are absolutely meaningless today and a label will simply be flung at someone when others disagree with them to shut them up.

[OneMorePlant]

@Helleofabore

Can we also now get a definition of 'socialist' and 'marxist' that applies today? Because Sewell's group is the National Socialist Network and Pal Steigen who apparently hosted the Mot Dag conference is a noted Marxist.... We have an ALP government insider calling centrists 'far right' too.

It all reinforces the feeling that labels are absolutely meaningless today and a label will simply be flung at someone when others disagree with them to shut them up.

It's simple.

If you are a critical thinker who has many different opinions and reads and follows many different people, and you believe in debating issues, you are "far right" and if you are white you are a "white supremacist".

Anyone who is actually right or conservative is "an actual nazi" and real nazi's are also just "nazi"

A "socialist" or "marxist" is someone who claims to hate capitalism while tweeting on their newest Iphone about their funkopop collection and who have no idea what Marx actually wrote or said except for some 2 minute quick wikipedia google. They also call everyone they disagree with "far right" and are the most intolerant shitheads you will ever meet while going on about "inclusivity"

Antifa are fascists who are nationalists to a fictitious nation that does not exist (yet)

Misogynists are now "intersectional feminists"

Actual feminists are now "transphobic bigots"

[Helleofabore]

Oh just to ask, the Neo Nazis saluting as they walked past the trans activist protestors, that meant they supported the trans activists didn’t it? I mean this video seems to have been taken behind trans rights activists, but it is hard to know considering there was trans rights activists over in the area where women were speaking and all.

Just wanting to apply all the logic consistently.

twitter.com/australianja/status/1637307166238605318?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

[Anactor]

I’m afraid I got my mountaintop experience with ‘far right’ when Sadiq Khan announced that the people protesting his expansion of the emissions zone were ‘far right’.

’Far right’ is just a meaningless phrase, now. It means ‘I’m on the left and you disagree with me.’ Or, ‘you may have had offices in the same building as someone I disagree with’. Or ‘you may have been seen at the same protest with someone I disagree with’.

It’s probably best to replace any use of ‘far right’ with ‘wibble,wibble.’ At the moment, they have roughly the same meaning.

[OneMorePlant]

I second the motion to replace "far right" with "wibble, wibble".

[PatsArrow]

Thirded. I think it's time.

[Musomama1]

@OneMorePlant

It's simple.

If you are a critical thinker who has many different opinions and reads and follows many different people, and you believe in debating issues, you are "far right" and if you are white you are a "white supremacist".

Anyone who is actually right or conservative is "an actual nazi" and real nazi's are also just "nazi"

A "socialist" or "marxist" is someone who claims to hate capitalism while tweeting on their newest Iphone about their funkopop collection and who have no idea what Marx actually wrote or said except for some 2 minute quick wikipedia google. They also call everyone they disagree with "far right" and are the most intolerant shitheads you will ever meet while going on about "inclusivity"

Antifa are fascists who are nationalists to a fictitious nation that does not exist (yet)

Misogynists are now "intersectional feminists"

Actual feminists are now "transphobic bigots"

Brilliant. Sums up eloquently exactly what I've been thinking of late. 👋

[GlorianaCervixia]

If “your lot” are Women’s Place UK then perhaps “your lot” can explain why they took zero interest in the ordinary Australian women speaking in Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide and it wasn’t until antifa and neo-nazis turned up on Melbourne that they decided to stir themselves?

I deeply resent these events being used by WPUK and their supporters as yet another opportunity to continue their long-standing hate-on for KJK. It makes it clear they couldn’t care less about the incredibly difficult conditions Australian women are working under, especially in Victoria.