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Trans Widows Escape Committee 2- The Trans Widows Strike Back..

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TinselAngel · 06/01/2019 12:47

The previous thread is nearly full, so here is a shiny new one.

I'm thrilled that this took off enough to merit a second thread.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity" Hmm

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason.
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TinselAngel · 08/09/2020 22:42

Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3898348-Trans-Widows-Escape-Committee-4-A-New-Hope

This is the current thread. Do come over.Thanks

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LvingLif · 08/09/2020 22:41

Hi, I think I posted in the old thread. I'm desperately looking for some kind of support since my husband decided he's a "woman". Everything I've read so far is eerily similar to my experience. The self absorption, the gaslighting, the pushing of boundaries. I'm seeing all of it. But I'm done, I just need to figure out how to get out.

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R0wantrees · 21/03/2020 16:26

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3668898-trans-widows-escape-committee-3-rise-of-the-trans-widows

'Trans Widow Voices' website launch, OP TinselAngel wrote:

"I'm really pleased to be able to finally launch this new website:

//www.transwidowsvoices.org/

Some of you were kind enough to deploy your spades to enable its creation. All of the funding has been provided by feminists such as yourselves.

This is a site owned by trans widows where women will be able to tell their stories. There is a huge need for this to counter the one sided "stunning and brave" narrative that is the only story told by the media.

There are four stories on the site so far and more stories will be added as we receive them. We also hope there will be some exciting guest blogs.

I think I can risk speaking for all the trans widows here when I say, thank you so much to @ MNHQ for continuing to have us and to and all FWR supporters for enabling us to get this far."
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3856287-New-Transwidows-website-Trans-Widows-Voices

thread with resources:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

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catsareme14 · 21/03/2020 10:57

Gas mark 6 article has stunned me . Clarified so much . Thank you

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somethingawful · 13/02/2020 08:01

wrong thread oops

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somethingawful · 13/02/2020 08:01

hi, i posted on the second thread about my agp ex. i'm 18 in a month and i dont really know who i can talk about what happened with. my friends say i need to be careful not to 'demonise trans women' because i had a bad experience with one. but i read through this thread and they're all so, so similar. i can't help but think everyone i know has gone mad.

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FiddlesticksAkimbo · 11/10/2019 21:00

Moving to new thread ...

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Oldermum156 · 11/10/2019 17:44

oh sorry I will post on the new thread im an idiot

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Oldermum156 · 11/10/2019 17:42

Can things get worse? Yes they can. I'm so devastated right now I don't even know where to start. yes I've been quiet. I guess I thought there was nothing more to say and I'd made my peace with it all. I WAS SO WRONG. Apologies this will be long.

Early in the summer my husband (transwoman-wife) lost his job. As we all know mentally ill men who lose their jobs are always a risk. He has a good job background and a good career path so we had high hopes for him finding something els , and his cnonections allowed him to take on some contract work, still it was an anxious 2 months. Plus, he was around constantly for 2 months. No breaks for me.

Plus, my son was around constantly with school being out for the summer. For background my son is a 23 year old aspie. High functioning but some hygiene issues and a bit sullen, but I figured he was doing well - good grades in school, one semester to graduate, has a boyfriend (I don't mind him being gay.) But essentially between the two of them being here I spent the summer never getting to be alone at all.

Finally my spouse gets a job offer, a good one, but it's a bit of a long commute away. We talked about it and since no other job offers had come through we decided it would be a good move to take, in fact a dream job aside from the rough commute. He accepted the job and got a start state of another few weeks away which brings us to September.

A few days before the start of the job we went clothes shopping to buy some (women's) business casual clothing suitable for work. We were out all day and came home very tired. We were watching tv and my son came to sit and watch with us, which is a little odd since he usually decides to sit in his room and ignore us unless there is food on the table. After we get done watching tv and are getting ready to go to bed, he says, "I have something to tell you. I thought and thought about it for a while and meditated on it and I decided I'm trans." I was literally so stunned I didn't know what to say other than ask if he had told his boyfriend. He said he hadn't yet and then he went off into his room again.

We went to our bedroom to talk about it. We didn't really know what to make of it either. I mean, he gave us no information and didn't want to discuss it further. I went to ask him if he needed anything and he said no so I went back to talk some more. (FTR my spouse also thinks younger trans people have all gone crazy.) We decided to wait and see where this was heading and remain patient and calm before rushing to judgement.

Meanwhile spouse started job. Have I mentioned in addition to dysphoria spouse is a hypochondriac? I am convinced these are connected - both inability to be in touch with the body's symptoms. It is obvious to me spouse does not like the job, finds it stressful, or at least really hates commuting to work so much. Almost immediately spouse began manifesting horrible "I am going to die omg i may have to quit this job" symptoms like horrible varicose veins (barely visible) that "could turn into DVT!" (one of his biggest hypochondria bogeymen). He has spent a few hundred on new compression stockings to avoid death from commuting.

Then he developed a cough from post nasal drip due to allergies. You know, that thing half of all people have twice a year? No, he's dying. He has been to the doctor three times, missed 2 days of work and spent hundreds on prescriptions. Currently he is on antibiotics he got from going to an urgent care center and getting a dx of sinusitis which he showed me triumphantly when he came home because he has begun accusing me of "not being supportive enough". For his cough due to postnasal drip, which I also have. I told him to suck cough drops. He got mad.

Meanwhile this week my son, without any further communications with us at all, ran out to a doctor, got a prescription for hormones, and now is going to get it filled, He is thrilled and when I told him quietly, "I wish you would have at least discussed this with us first" he became sullen and mumbled "Sorry". He didn't speak to me again for the next few hours and now he has stomped off to go get them.

I'm sorry too. I'm sorry I will never have grandchildren, watch him gain 50-100 pounds and possibly develop diabetes and cardiovascular disease at a young age.

Who are these doctors that are so willing to destroy someone's health on such a small amount of information? Why are they so bent on ripping apart families? How did this become my life?

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AllNaturalWoman · 18/08/2019 19:44

Ladies especially TinselAngel the Transwidows threads are the most important on the FWR site. For those in need of support you are here and that is invaluable when there are so few other places.

For those who are not Transwidows reading the same story over and over with subtly different details but all major aspects the same from so many women makes it very clear what these TW Angry Sad

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:37

General messages of support to kick the new thread off are also welcome!

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:32

Link to new thread.

Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3668898-trans-widows-escape-committee-3-rise-of-the-trans-widows

If anybody would like to post about how the first two threads helped them, that would be a great way to kick the new thread off.

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socialworker222 · 18/08/2019 15:01

It would be funny if it didn't show how much it can make you feel like an irrelevance, a means to an end, and used for an egocentric purpose. I look back at many things and realize EVERYTHING was about him, whether explicit or not. It's very hard to get over and re-engage with yourself. Very damaging. Mine chose the name of a celebrity he idolized as a child, despite telling me he only in recent years realized he was a woman.... horrifying that this probably rumbled on the background of my long marriage. One of my ex's biggest desires was to wear a skirt; he was genuinely jealous that I 'could'. Crazy crazy crazy.

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WifeOfTiresias · 18/08/2019 11:15

OH used to try to push me to wear ultra tarty clothes, mini skirts and stilettos which were totally not me. He used to get irrationally angry when I wore my preferred jeans and DMs and called me a dyke.

I now know he was trying to get me to wear the things he wanted to wear and treating me as a proxy for the person he wanted to be. Really creepy.

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 10:27

Bet that looks lovely Janie.

By the way all. I will start a new thread this evening. (I get twitchy from around the 850 posts mark but have managed to resist so far!)

So if anybody else wants to comment on this thread, speak now Smile

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Janie143 · 18/08/2019 10:11

I haven't been able to think of a source we both share for the name yet. He is trying grow to style his thinning grey hair like mine and has dyed it the same colour.

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 10:03

One of the names my ex chose is 99% known for being the name of a song by my favourite band and 1% known for what he now claims he's named himself after.

At the time when I found out and went ballistic (he started getting solicitors letters delivered to the house addressed to that name before we split up) he said "I thought it would be a nod towards you".

I explained of all the things he was appropriating, this was a step too far. He said OK he wouldn't do it then.

He did it anyway.

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socialworker222 · 18/08/2019 09:44

There's definitely a Creepy imitation thing going on. My ex was explicitly not interested in one of my hobbies but as soon as he became a laydee, he took it up. It was extraordinary. A friend asked 'did he want to be you'? '. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery Smile

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 00:55

Think back. Speaking from experience, there will be some shared reference that you both got it from. It will probably be something that you liked more than he did, at the time.

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Janie143 · 18/08/2019 00:24

OMG I've just found out my AGP ex's new girl name is my MN user name Janie! WTAF There is no way he is on here. Also the link about posted by rent thread. I particularly recommend the link posted upthread about narcissistic rage etc describes his behaviour perfectly

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ItsOnAmericasTorturedBrow · 17/08/2019 23:00

Welcome Tyro! Fabulous you got out before it really hits the fan - I agree with Tinsel - don't give him an audience.

My ex was very scathing about gay or bisexual men - "the fucking gay mafia taking over!" Next thing you know he's having his female penis removed at the taxpayer's expense and getting a new birth certificate to prove he was born a girl almost 50 years ago.

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TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 14:25

I wouldn't provide him with an audience personally but I'm a hard faced bitch these days.

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Tyrotoxicity · 17/08/2019 13:02

I'm not massively involved really (I don't think) - we just talk a lot, because I see him most days (what with having a child in common) and we get on fine now that we're not cohabiting. I don't get sucked into any drama though - I just get the edited highlights and do a lot eyerolling. It's like a soap opera really. Mildly entertaining but ultimately irrelevant and doesn't really affect me.

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TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 11:35

You still sound quite involved in your ex's drama Tyro - how does it make you feel if you imagine taking a complete step back from it? Not your circus, not your monkeys etc.

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Tyrotoxicity · 17/08/2019 11:19

There's another thing I need to thank you all for - the knowledge that they purge and then get sucked even further in. I'm quietly hopeful that he means it when he says he's been pulling back from it, but I'm very aware that this could change.

His drummer's just decided to transition and ex has been pretty scathing about it, which gives me more hope, but who knows? Still, forewarned is forearmed and all that.

I tried counselling several times over the years but it's never helped much. These days I'm in with specialist trauma services - three rapists, one paedophile, and a violent and psychologically abusive father to process; this is going to take a while, and that's without even getting into the effects of having my oppression fetishised by someone who was supposed to love me.

Spotting the trend is helpful because it means my rage is very much directed outwards rather than inwards, but at the same time it's hideously depressing.

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