Wolf Body language

[frostedviolets]

What do you make of it?!

Really interested to hear people’s opinions.

Do you think it was territorial aggression, predatory behaviour, play etc?

I’ve watched it a few times and my initial thoughts were curiosity then play that was either too rough or veered off into predatory interest.

The initial approach didn’t look all that tense to me, eg, I didn’t see the immediate tense tail raising, hackles etc

They appear to freeze and do what to my eye looks a little like a play bow before chasing and appear to be nipping at the dog’s tail.

What do you think?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ifi4TU6cvk

[MrsVeryTired]

That dog was very lucky, agree with @Shambolical1. The way they spread out to chase is very predatory. If they were playing I don't think they would have done that. The one that nips the dog also seems to be in the middle for most of the chase, with the other 2 on the side. Think probably the oldest, highest in pack.

[BigSpringy]

It's a great image. The black colour in wild wolves comes from (escaped) domestic dogs breeding back into the population.

When I see one, it makes me wonder how much temperament has also crossed over in that breeding...

[Shambolical1]

Adding this just because I love the image.

[Shambolical1]

Check out the lovely (but ultimately sad - though not through anything the wolf did!) story of Romeo, the Juneau wolf.

Now this is play behaviour.

[patas]

The dog was lucky to get away, sooner or later the wolves would have attacked it I think.
From the dogs body language I can see it's feeling threatened.
From the wolves body language I'm not sure if they are just playing/curious, but the stressed out dog obviously thinks otherwise and that could have lead to its death as the wolves instinct takes over.

It would have been interesting to see a single wolf and a single dog and their responses.

[BigSpringy]

I would agree with most that this was not play - these wolves were trying to get this dog gone. Not a hunt, a warning.

I don't think that is a play bow. That play bow movement can sometimes be used by anxious dogs to increase distance and I suspect the wolf is using it for the same reason. It's an attempt to move the dog back, not to trigger play.

I think the dog was smart and lucky to remember the hole in the fence and use it.

[weaselwords]

They look like they are hazing the dog. Testing it out. If it had gone on much longer it would have got nasty, as the nip to the tail was the start of the wolves escalating things. They weren’t full on aggressive and if the dog had been more confident when the one play bowed it may have been more friendly, but the dog saw a threat and reacted as such so they started ramping things up.

[Soubriquet]

Yeah I agree

They wanted that dog gone but they didn’t want to do the aggressive stance unless they had to

They were assertive, and were clearly drawing the line

If that dog crossed that line, then they may have bitten, but as it was, they were just saying “I see you. You’re fine if you stay there. Come closer though and you’re in trouble”

[JesusInTheCabbageVan]

Having re-watched, I would say it started off as hunting for fun (but still hunting). Like they were testing the water.

[JesusInTheCabbageVan]

Fascinating video though, thanks OP.

[JesusInTheCabbageVan]

If I was the 'owner' of the wolves, I'd be panicking from the get-go and desperately trying to get them under control before it turned into a blood-bath. Maybe wolves have slightly edgier play behaviour, but I found that tense viewing!

[Sitdowncupoftea]

I would say it was a lucky dog. They were toying with it in a menacing way judging by their tail position and behaviour.

[CrowdedHouseinQuarantine]

They were menacing, extremely, the dog knew this and managed to escape.

[GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman]

Yes - the dog is very sure that it is under threat.

[Shambolical1]

The yawning wolf on the left is the most unsure. If you watch it, it stays back behind the other two and then climbs up the hillside. By the time the dog escapes through the fence it's way back up.

By the time the three wolves first come to a stop and the left one of the pair does the bow-and-scrape manoevre, they all have their hackles up. Just after the yawn, both the yawning wolf and the right of the pair turn and look at the left scrape-y one. And then they go.

The reason I don't think it's play as we would understand it is that the dog doesn't believe a word of the 'play bow' and knows it's in trouble. I think these are young, inexperienced wolves and this is more a 'rehearsal' than play.

The bites are bring-down attempts aiming at the spine. If the gap in the fence hadn't been there, probably even the timid guy up top would have got involved.

There's a bit of a kerfuffle when they all double back and I can't quite see if it's the scrape-y wolf or the other of the pair that presses home the attack.

Fascinating though. I came across a video from the same area where a horse is pottering about having a nice roll in the snow and there are several wolves around it, totally ignoring it. Some are lying down with their backs to it. One starts out of the way when the horse gets up and that's it. They look about the same size and age as the dog chasers.

[frostedviolets]

that whole ears up tail up thing isn't necessarily friendly
Agreed, though my dog isn’t usually great with other dogs.
I know she definately 100% won’t get on with another dog when I see the tail raised right up straight and rigid and fluffed out, sometimes wagging very stiffly which is something I was looking for in the wolves.

She’ll have the ears up, but then like a wolf she is naturally prick ear so she naturally carries them that way.

But I saw tails mostly neutral in the footage with some raising but not that stiff, rigid raise I’ve seen in my own dog and the wolf wags appeared to be more relaxed which is what made me veer towards to curiosity/playfulness

[GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman]

Posted too soon...
But they didn't want to. I don't think it was a predatory approach but that whole ears up tail up thing isn't necessarily friendly. That dog was seen off their turf.

All that said, I don't know much about wolf body language.

[GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman]

I'd say they were highly stimulated, and they could have killed that dog if they'd wanted to.

[tabulahrasa]

“I don’t know how you spotted it!”

Not going to lie, mostly I just happened to be watching that wolf when it yawned, rofl... but also they were all acting like dogs I’ve dealt with that were reactive, but subtler with signals than what most people seem to look for.

[frostedviolets]

There is indeed a small yawn.
I don’t know how you spotted it!
I had to watch it multiple times to spot!

Who knows what the real intentions were but I think I still am of the view that their intentions were not violent and the nips were either overexcitement or a bit of predatory instinct creeping in, predatory drift is it called?

[tabulahrasa]

@PollyPolson

This video caused some academics to get National Geographic to retrack its original article saying the wolves were out to hunt the dog..

I'll see if I can find the follow up video with commentary

They don’t look like they’re hunting it to me, to me it looks like they’re all a bit tense at the strange dog, and relax a bit when the dog is obviously not up for a fight and then they chase it off.

But I genuinely haven’t a clue how different dog and wolf body language is... I didn’t even know if wolves wagged tails or if it’s a retained juvenile behaviour or what.

[tabulahrasa]

@frostedviolets

Seems my wolf reading skills need some work!
Where was the lip licking?
I’ve just watched through again and couldn’t see it?

about 10 seconds in, the one at the front yawns, looks at the other two and I’m pretty sure licks it’s lips...

I’m on my phone though, so it might be the yawn that’s making me think I see a lip lick - but to be fair, the yawn itself I’d read as stressy...

[PollyPolson]

This video caused some academics to get National Geographic to retrack its original article saying the wolves were out to hunt the dog..

I'll see if I can find the follow up video with commentary

[Ylvamoon]

Definitely a case of chaising awaythe dog. It looks like they don't want the dog to cross some invisible line.

[PollyPolson]

sorry for typos hate my phone keyboard!