A Man kicked my dog this morning

[ExitPursuedByABear]

I was horrified! Yes, BastardDog is dog on dog aggressive, but it is all bark and no bite - (sound and fury signifying nothing).

I was marching up the canal towpath trying to keep warm, when my dog crouched down into 'play' position and I saw two big bouncy Munsterlanders approaching. Their owner was a long way behind. I see these dogs regularly and chat to both the man and woman who own them, on several occasions. I always call my boy back and put him on the lead until they are passed and have discussed with them the reasons why. Today I was concerned that I had seen them too late, but bless his soul, my boy came back when shouted so I put him on the lead and crossed over to the other side of the canal. As we passed I joked with the man that they would all have ended up in the lock if they had met and he said something about tossing a coin.

I carried on walking but a train went past and my dog likes to chase them. As I turned round I realised that the man had crossed over behind, so my dog ran into his dogs as he was chasing the train. They had a sniff then a fight broke out at which point the man started shouting "I'm not having this". I shouted my boy and he came back but went ahead of me. I walk with a stick so was trying to catch up with him to put him on the lead but the man kept on walking in the same direction, quicker than me and caught up just as I was about to put my dog on the lead and another fight broke out. At which point the man kicked my dog in the belly making him yelp in pain.

I asked him what he thought he was doing and he said he didn't want a vet's bill. Then he said that dogs will be dogs and it shouldn't affect our friendship. What fecking friendship? I marched off with him shouting after me that it shouldn't affect us. He then shouted that I had ruined a lovely day .

Not sure why I am posting really. It just really upset me. I make every effort to avoid other dogs. I know he had every right to cross the canal and walk in the same direction, but I still don't think he needed to kick him.

Stupid bastard.

[BlueberryWafer]

So people who disagree with aggressive dogs being off their lead are somehow not entitled to an opinion? Pathetic.

[wheresthelight]

I have a perfect comprehension thanks, clearly the op doesn't.

by her own admission her dog is aggressive. it was chasing a train and ran into the man's dogs. it was out of control. ergo she is irresponsibile and should keep her dog on a lead and muzzled.

And I say that as a RESPONSIBLE dog owner

[BlueberryWafer]

Wheresthelight I completely agree :)

[Gen35]

I'm surprised no one has said you overreacted - seems as though there were faults on both sides to me and your dog is ok. He thought your dog was going to attack, you have a dog that can be aggressive to other dogs, your dog is fine.

[mrslaughan]

Wheres the light - read a bit more carefully, her dog recalled away from other mans dogs, whereby the mans dogs and then man ran after exits dogs.....back to school, your comprehension is not as good as you think it is.

Maybe time to hop off your bandwagon.......

[BlueberryWafer]

Mrslaughan never point out someone else's comprehension when your own leaves a lot to be desired.

Yes, the OP claims her dog has a decent recall. However, whilst distracted by a train, her dog decided to run uncontrollably an knock into the man's dogs in the process.the OP has herself admitted her dog is aggressive, so there is no way on earth this dog should be off the lead!

[EveDallasRetd]

'Good Recall' means that the dog returns when it is called. Exits dog does exactly that.

Presumably Exit didn't mind that her dog was 'chasing' a train, so wasn't calling it back to her. She didn't know that the man with his two off lead dogs had also crossed over the canal and was walking back towards her. As soon as she was alerted to that fact (by the dogs all barking) she called her dog and thanks to her dogs 'Good Recall' it came back.

Before she was able to get her lead on her dog the man and his two off lead dogs ran up to her and the bark fight resumed - at which point the man kicked her dog.

Exits dog is 'dog aggressive'. She deals with this by training her dog to have good recall and putting her dog on a lead when other dogs are passing. Considering that the two dogs chased after exits dog when he was being recalled I would suggest that those two dogs are also dog aggressive, but have not been trained properly, hence their own lack of recall.

[ExitPursuedByABear]

I've always secretly loved you Eve, but now I shall declare that love openly.

That is one nail well and truly hit on the head.

[ExitPursuedByABear]

Whoops - there is a random shot of DD's foot in that pic.

[wheresthelight]

actually her op states that her dog ran into the man's dog and a fight broke out, therefore HER dog was not under control. dog aggressive dogs should be on leads and muzzled at all times. she is at fault and had her dog attacked mine I would have kicked the thing too.

[AmyMumsnet]

Hi Exit,

Apols if you think we were being heavy-handed, do feel free to drop us a line if you want to have a word.

And peace and love to all and to all a good night.

[EveDallasRetd]

Exit has clarified more than once that it was a BARKING fight not a biting fight. Her OP specifically states he is all bark no bite. Her dog did NOT attack anyone, no matter how many times you want to say he did.

If anyone kicked my dog for barking at another dog, especially when the other dog had run up to mine, they'd be picking their teeth up. Having been on site when a wanker kicked a cocker spaniel in the ribs and killed it, they'd better have a fucking good reason to kick a dog that was NOT attacking, was NOT biting, was NOT dangerous.

Exit, BastardDog is lovely, that's a beautiful perm

[ExitPursuedByABear]

Isn't it! But he went to a different groomer a few weeks and she cut it all off .

It is growing back though.

[mrslaughan]

Blueberry wafer - you see I realise dogs are not machines - And good recall allows in my book for the odd slip up, however I would say what exit describes is pretty perfect recall - a dog in a high state of arousal, able to turn its back on the thing that is putting it in that state and return to its owner. TBH I know very few dogs that would do that....infact I only know 3 - and they are all retired police dogs.....so you see - my comprehension is fine, its just I realise we are dealing with animals......I have meet plenty who purport to have there dogs this well trained, but have never seen them actually live up what there owners say.

and while everyone is quite happy to crucify exit, no-one seems least concerned about the other mans dogs and their out of control behaviour.

[BellaVita]

Am loving his "mop".

[ExitPursuedByABear]

loves MrsL as well

[tabulahrasa]

To be fair, I don't think it's clear at all in the first post that the other dogs came back rather than just happened to be there...and if anyone doesn't read the whole thread...

For what it's worth my dog has never bitten (as in, because of how he's managed, including a muzzle, not from lack of desire to...he is a git quite frankly) but people really really do not take kindly to a rottweiler snarling and barking at their dogs...even if they chose to do something that made it happen.

So when I was saying, look at if you need to do something differently - that's because that is what I do if there's an incident, not because I was having a go.

I think it's useful sometimes to be going, was there something I could have done in that situation that could have prevented that? 9 times out of 10 the answer is nope, they're numpties, but sometimes it is a case of, I wasn't watching well enough there, or that's not a good place to have my git dog offlead.

I've never had an incident with my dog where he wasn't muzzled, on lead, moved out of the way and the other owner warned by me that he isn't ok with dogs and I still get abuse, threats of phoning the police, told that dogs 'like that' shouldn't be out...so yep, I do everything possible to make sure that if anything does happen it absolutely wasn't something I can prevent. Which makes it sound like I'm going, how freaking amazing am I? lol, but what I mean is, not automatically agreeing that it wasn't Exit's fault at all isn't me attacking her, it's me going - is there anything you could do next time to make your life easier? Because it is shitty having a reactive dog at the best of times.

[ExitPursuedByABear]

[ExitPursuedByABear]

I have reported myself before all the PO get in there.

[EveDallasRetd]

[AlpacaYourThings]

Exit I don't think you did anything wrong. His behaviour was very bloody stupid and I'm impressed you didn't retaliate. If someone liked my dog I don't like to think of what I might do.

I honestly don't think you deserve the flack you have got on this thread. The subject of dogs seems to send some posters into a tizz.

for Exit dog

[rachie30]

Please help I'm livid,
I was walking my 12 month husky x staff down our normal walking route on Friday 17th July in the morning on leash, there was a bloke walking his dog ( collie) in front me off leash anyway he turnt into one of the alley ways and out of sight. I thought this would be great as I was able to let my pup off for a run round while we was walking. I thought my pup was behind me as we were walking and she was sniffing around but then she took the same route as the bloke and collie but as I went to look to see where she got to,the bloke ran off with his dog which my dog thought they playing and started running with them and then All of a sudden my pup came back to me yelping. I know my pup would never hurt another dog but just wants to play. If this bloke turnt round to me and said can you grab your dog as mine is unsure, I would of of done so. I have never experienced this before and has really shaken me. All I want is my dog to be socialised with other dogs and for her to learn from her own. Please help advice and help needed.