Should white south africans be allowed to return to europe?

[lastuseraccount123]

www.change.org/p/european-commission-allow-all-white-south-africans-the-right-to-return-to-europe

[AmyGMumsnet]

Hi there everyone. A quick heads up to let you know that we're going to move this thread to Petitions in a moment.

[Pinkball75]

If you still hold a European passport, even if you were born in SA, then you can return. I only know this because a friend and his mum came here around ten years ago. They both held British passports even though they were born there. The government gave them the choice of surrendering their passports or leaving, so they left.

[RosaliesGinBottle]

Look, I'm a white South African. I live in England because my dad was born here and I was able to get a job in my field that actually paid my rent. No argument that it is scary to live in SA as a white woman, but calling the situation genocide is bullshit. Black women have it FAR worse. Black men have it far worse too. The government has, ahem, serious issues, but genocide... no. Hell, it's far better there now than in the 1980s, those good old days of civil war, terrorism, 20 per cent interest rates, sanctions, and laws against mixed marriage.

[limitedperiodonly]

At the starting point they should.

But let's say Robert Mugabe dies tonight and there is a coup.

It could easily happen

Do you think Grace Mugabe's asylum application should be treated in the same way as a poor white woman's?

It won't happen, obviously. Because Grace Mugabe won't have to claim asylum.

[limitedperiodonly]

Before you say BTW I realise that Mugabe is the president of Zimbabwe.

I am aware that the continent of Africa is comprised of many and varied nations.

[MarchLikeAnAnt]

Grace is banned from the uk afaik. I belive all applications should be given the same consideration in line with the rules.

[limitedperiodonly]

I belive all applications should be given the same consideration in line with the rules.

So we agree

[MarchLikeAnAnt]

I have no idea. You seem to be arguing against that with which you agree.

[wishingchair]

Limited and March - just read this thread and seems to me you are both violently agreeing. You both think that anyone should have the right to seek asylum regardless of race, to follow proper procedure, and no special treatment for any special groups.

[limitedperiodonly]

I have no idea. You seem to be arguing against that with which you agree.

Eh?

[limitedperiodonly]

I think you might be right wishingchair

[MarchLikeAnAnt]

'Eh?' Is exactly what I've been thinking about your posts limited

Thats what I thought wishing . I think we've just got a bit muddled.

[wishingchair]

Glad to be of service

[MarchLikeAnAnt]

Have a as thanks

[wishingchair]

Brilliant idea!!!

[limitedperiodonly]

I've had a too wishing

[lastuseraccount123]

March is that what I said? Care to show me where I said that, ta.

I linked to the petition but no where have I said they should get in BECAUSE they are white. However, if they have legitimate claims to asylum due to fear of genocide as a persecuted minority then why not?

Also, the link I made to the Canadian story showed how hard it is to claim asylum as a white south african.

To those of you saying it's not genocide: ffs sake, read. it's not genocide YET. There are stages that happen up til the final act, and SA is at stage 6. Since none of you are researchers in this area and stanton is, I'll stick with his definition.

[lastuseraccount123]

I await someone finding the post where I said they should.

re: aborigines being kiilled in Aus. I thought this was well acknowledged by teh australian government - didn't they say sorry? Not in denial then. have acknowledged.

Stage 10, which the US is at, is to do with denial.

I really worry about some people's reading comprehension on this thread.

[lastuseraccount123]

re: stats from Africacheck.

they are all from SA government entities. I would just question how reliable those are, considering, AGAIN, that they won't allow a UN observer in to check up on them.

Again, why are they so reluctant to let her in? What are they hiding? Maybe their stats are complete BS?

[lastuseraccount123]

Also note the question I asked in the thread title was "SHould they be allowed to return?"

I wanted a discussion about the idea. I wasn't saying I agreed with it. FFS.

[lastuseraccount123]

limited thank you for this post by you. You get it. The OP is concerned with white people. Who had it good for a long time. And still do.

I agree. But that's what I call nasty - to treat people according to what their ancestors did or even their dad.

Don't you agree marchllikeanant or prorsum?

I think we should treat people on their current circumstances and views.

If these particular white people can make a claim for asylum then as I said, let them make it.

Their claim might be legitimate. Plenty of white people can make such claims. They are more usually political dissidents, often very rich ones from former Soviet states or much poorer members of a European community such as Roma. I see no reason to exclude white South Africans from their number.

[Viviennemary]

Why should they get any priority to return to Europe ahead of any other asylum seekers. In fact they should get less. Because they chose to go their or at least their forefathers did. And created havoc.

[lastuseraccount123]

not priority, no.

so, you're in the camp of 'white south africans deserve what they get' then Vivienne. Even if they are generations away from the people that did those things.

[LumelaMme]

This link just upthread
//www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/tenstagesofgenocide.html
says stage 6 includes 'Extremist terrorism targets moderates'.

I'm not aware of this happening in S Africa.

[lastuseraccount123]

wow, the amount of bigotry against them is quite astounding.

I can see now how people get de-humanized and othered - in this case, because in the past SA whites broke a moral code that the west has come to embrace.