Food shortages due to stockpiling.
QueenOfIce · 04/09/2019 16:02
I understand why people are stockpiling but at the same time it's a very 'me first' attitude.
Won't those stockpiling cause shortages before the Brexshit hits the fan?
The UK really is full of selfish gits only out for themselves.
360eyes · 05/09/2019 21:16
I've not noticed this.
The ordering in supermarkets goes a bit awry during holidays/changing back to term time, hence you might see blank shelves.
I think to gradually get a stockpile isnt selfish. Doing nothing and expecting other people to sort you out is.
TemporaryPermanent · 05/09/2019 15:40
I don't donate food to food banks via supermarkets because i refuse to make supermarkets, who distort local job markets and in some cases screw rural producers into the ground reducing prosperity further, more money out of their 'charity' boxes. I donate directly to the Trussell Trust with fury in my heart that i feel it's necessary to do this to feed children in the fucking sixth biggest economy in the world. I have also built up a stockpile and should there be genuine food shortages (as opposed to the supply bumps i think are more likely), im in touch with some locals and we've agreed a probably unnecessary basic plan to put on some communal meals. From our larders, gardens, allotments and, indeed our stockpiles. Youd be very welcome if needed, op.
SingingBabooshkaBadly · 05/09/2019 12:35
Queen I don’t have time right now to read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating other posts.
There is a difference between stockpiling and panic buying.
People who have been gradually stockpiling for months or longer by buying a little extra with each shop are in no way causing shortages. Our supply chain is working at the moment and supermarkets are totally able to adjust their orders to account for higher than usual sales of any product.
Should the worst happen, far from disadvantaging those who can’t afford to stockpile, the people who are have already built up a buffer of food ahead of Brexit won’t be in the shops buying what food is available at that time.
Panic buying, which is entirely different to stockpiling, is what will cause problems - when those who who haven’t put anything by thus far suddenly panic and strip the shelves.
Many people who are stockpiling are doing so to avoid being in the shops when panic buying sets in. Many who are stockpiling donate regularly to food banks. I’m not sure why you seem so convinced that they don’t.
There is nothing selfish or irresponsible about stockpiling. Preparing for emergencies (not just Brexit btw) by building up a buffer of food whilst it is in plentiful supply does no harm to anyone else and does not affect the supply of food.
Panic buying once we have shortages or at the last minute before leaving the EU is selfish and will cause problems.
I sincerely hope those who have consistently poo-pooed stockpiling and chosen not to build up a buffer even though they could afford to will be prepared to leave what’s available in the shops post Brexit for those who couldn’t afford to stockpile beforehand.
PreppingPrat · 05/09/2019 11:41
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Greatnorthwoods · 05/09/2019 11:28
Preppers are some of the most selfish people. What about those on very low incomes who can't afford to slowly buy or panic buy? But as long as the preppers have their tins and toilet rolls they'll be ok and stuff everyone else.
Prepper here, I have for a long time Ben giving advice to people wanting to stock up for Brexit. The amount of abuse I received in return made me stop.
I firmly believe that failing to plan to planning to fail, unfortunately it’s a survival of the fittest world out there. It sounds like your solution is nobody should prep, we should all starve together?
Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 08:26
Abject apologies queen
Just spotted that you were referring more to panic buying
I do not know whats wrong with me, 2nd time ive not checked updates...though i am up the earliest ive been since the start of the holidays!
Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 08:24
One assumes queen has never bought a ‘buy 6 bottles of wine and get 25% off) type deal from supermarkets
As it would be stockpiling...or indeed would never do it as some people can’t afford to do it
As has been explained many times there is a difference between stockpiling and panic buying
Don’t like stockpiling (and i bet you do depending on what you are piling) then don’t do it
megletthesecond · 05/09/2019 06:57
You don't understand food supply logisitics do you OP?
SnuggyBuggy · 05/09/2019 06:47
As people have said most of the food people stockpile is virtually identical to food bank shopping lists. Many of us do donate our stuff that is getting close to the use by date.
Dontgiveamonkeys1350 · 05/09/2019 06:35
I say this on every thread. I have been putting food aside. The ‘experts’ have said there will be shortages. Re read the word ‘experts ‘. I will able to feed my son. I can’t believe that anyone with children who has the money to do this isn’t doing it.
Not a chance will I leave it up to our awful politicians to sort things out.
So instead of listening to people on here telling me I’m selfish or an idiot I listened to the ‘experts’.
And yes you back peddled fairly quickly there OP.
berlinbabylon · 04/09/2019 21:59
I have also noticed that Sainsburys, Tesco and Morrisons are running out of food
Really? Well if so, it's nothing new. I used to regularly swap supermarkets between Tesco and Sainsburys because they'd each constantly run out of stuff that the other one stocked. And they always run out when they do offers. I don't think it's Brexit-related. Yet.
By the way, my local Superdrug has plenty of paracetomol and iboprofen so may be worth a look if you can't find it in other chains.
SansaSnark · 04/09/2019 21:48
I've detailed on other threads all the reasons I think there will be food shortages and disruption post brexit but to summarise:
-In this country we only produce about 50% of our own food. The rest has to be imported, mostly by lorry/ship.
-If we no deal, there will be new customs arrangements that will cause a delay at ports. Even a small delay per lorry will cause a log jam and disrupt the supply chain.
-The government has said it will prioritise medicines and water purification chemicals over food. Lots of the food we usually import will not arrive where it should immediately post a no deal brexit.
-A lot of the food we import from outside of the EU comes via EU ports such as Rotterdam so will be affected. Even food arriving directly in this country will be delayed if there are issues at ports.
-Farmers will be heavily impacted by no deal brexit. We could end up producing less of our own food in this country. They also cannot step up production in the space of two months.
If people who have the ability to prepare now, by purchasing a bit of extra food, the supply chain will cope. There may be one off shortages of individual items if someone locally goes completely mad, but there will be (and is) food on the shelves for everyone.
If people who can afford to have prepared sensibly, there will be more food left on the shelves for people who for whatever reason haven't prepared- i.e. they're doing you a favour.
(If anyone is worried, there is still time to get at least some stock in if you can afford to!)
MrsTerryPratchett · 04/09/2019 20:36
In places where the government routinely asks people to prep for disaster, it is couched in terms of altruism. Essentially look after yourselves if you're able so we can look after the old, sick, injured
Nottrueatall · 04/09/2019 20:33
Also, that way if something happens that I haven't foreseen, I can get by without going to the shops for at least several weeks.
slipperywhensparticus · 04/09/2019 20:24
If you called me a selfish git to my face I would be more than happy to tell you to fuck off to your face
I'm on medication that I could die rather painfully if I dont receive yes the nhs could possibly help me but I would need more different medication after the expensive surgery plus I have dietary needs that we dont make here my food is fucking expensive and not provided by a food bank yes I'm stockpiling dam right I am i need to eat and live 0121 goady one
Nottrueatall · 04/09/2019 20:23
I've always stockpiled, or bought in bulk, for want of a better word. It's just how I approach buying stuff.
My health is very up and down, so I tend to buy lots when I can, so that I don't have to go out every week.
For example, my health is poor atm, and I can't get out and about (& don't know when I'll be up to shopping properly again), so I've just spent £550 stocking up my cupboards.
Most of those items will mean that I don't have to buy them again until next year at the very earliest (eg, fabric conditioner, flour, dried egg, tinned goods, dried goods, pasta, etc).
On the other hand, this is the first proper shop I've done since early July (other than milk, eggs, fresh fruit and fresh veg).
All I'll still need to buy on a regular basis are the basics, such as milk, fresh fruit and veg.
However, should push come to shove, and I'm still housebound, or people are panic buying, I can survive quite well on what I've already got here as I'd make do with tinned fruit and veg and dried milk/egg, etc, so I wouldn't be adding to the people panic buying.
I've always shopped like this as I like to have a buffer of at least a few months; I realise that I'm incredibly lucky to be able to afford to do this, but rather than spend £80-£100/week on groceries, I'll maybe spend £10-25 per week, and then spend the rest of the budget in one large shop once every few months (if needed). This is for 4 people (all adult sized portions) plus pets.
MaggietheHorseThief · 04/09/2019 19:42
She has changed her tune as soon as she has been called on it. I say goady fucker
(I also think this!)
MaggietheHorseThief · 04/09/2019 19:41
I agree with your suggestion that those who can afford to should be contributing to food banks. People on low incomes are the least able to prep, and will likely be the hardest hit by Brexit.
MaggietheHorseThief · 04/09/2019 19:39
Stockpiling now, while supermarkets are still in a position to replenish shelves, will help prevent food shortages when, after Brexit, access to produce is limited. Those of us who have stockpiled will not be panic buying food when it is scarce and thus contributing to shortages.
flouncyfanny · 04/09/2019 19:15
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WaggingKnife · 04/09/2019 19:08
You came wading in with your size 10 feet calling people selfish gits and we set you straight without fussing around. There have been dozens of threads about stockpiling, where it has been explained why it is different to panic buying and yet you spout off that preppers are selfish despite not having a single, solitary clue what you’re talking about.
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