DH sent DS14 anti vac propaganda

[Lalaland44]

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I'm at my wits end. He's addicted to anti vaccination propaganda on Twitter. Obsessed with it. He's convinced there's a global scandal regarding Covid and vaccination. Figured manipulated blah blah. He's 52 unvaccinated and trying to convince DS14 not to get it! I'm 44 fully vaccinated full time NHS and vaccinate at weekends for extra cash. Haha he's even said I'll end up at The Hague for war crimes. It was a tongue in cheek comment but ffs. Little does he know I signed DS14 consent form and he's been vaccinated already! I read all the facts, DS read all the information provided and he decided to have it done. No persuasiveness from me. DS decided and made an informed decision to be vaccinated. Very brave considering anti vac rantings from DH. I want my DH back. What can I do?

[Anon778833]

Extra appalling that the creators and the people who knowingly spread it pretended it was an NHS document.

Indeed. If there was a shred of truth in this then they wouldn't need to pretend they are the NHS!

[Anon778833]

My ex DP sounds like your husband. He's 52 and he doesn't believe that Covid exists. Also an anti vaxxer. We split up because he thinks he can catch spike proteins from me. We have a 21 month old dd. He has brow beaten his 23 year old son who has severe asthma into not having the jab.

Apparently one thing you can try is to ask these people why they trust the sources of this 'alternative' information more than what the government says. People like this have low trust so challenging them to examine why they trust other people instead can help. Didn't work on my ex though!

[youvegottenminuteslynn]

@InexperiencedDogOwner

That consent form doesn't actually have any lies on it as far as I can see...

The top of the letter is cut off, it had the NHS logo at the top and was sent to schools across the country from a fake NHS email address to mislead people into thinking it was an official public health document. It wasn't, it was orchestrated by anti vaxxer groups. So from the outset it is a falsified document.

Secondly, here's some fact checking for you:

www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-nhs-letter-idUSL1N2QV1X4

It's dangerous to spread misleading, manipulated data and statements like those on the fake letter.

Extra appalling that the creators and the people who knowingly spread it pretended it was an NHS document.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

@InexperiencedDogOwner

That consent form doesn't actually have any lies on it as far as I can see...

The entire document is statements designed to mislead (without giving relevant context) or misinformation to scare people off being vaccinated.

It is classic anti-vaccine nonsense- and the man responsible (with links to anti-vaccine groups in the UK) will hopefully be prosecuted.

[ollyollyoxenfree]

@Aishah231

So you gave your son information and got him jabbed without your husband's consent but him giving your son alternative information is out of order!? It might be anti vacc propaganda but your information might also well be pro vacc propaganda.

Also what to know what "pro-vac" propaganda is.

Vaccines work. They don't need propaganda when you can demonstrate their efficacy on infection, severe illness and onward transmission.

The CMOs and JCVI have carefully laid out the benefits versus drawbacks of teens taking up the vaccine. It's cautious interpretation with Chris Whitty saying it's a decision families will have to consider what's best for them. As long as people are making their choice based on this I don't really see the issue.

[Ifyoudontlikeitdosomethingelse]

Has the vaccine been fully approved yet? Or is it still under emergency use?

[MintJulia]

I'd find that really worrying OP. You can feel sorry for him being that foolish but how can you rely on him?

My ex's new woman tried to persuade my ds not to have the vaccine. She has the brains of a woodlouse. Thankfully my ds is sensible and logical like yours, and he took 3 minutes to take her arguments apart. I've kept the emails she sent. They'll come in handy.

I've also signed DS's consent form.

[InexperiencedDogOwner]

That consent form doesn't actually have any lies on it as far as I can see...

[BlackeyedSusan]

Ds has made the decision. It is a reasonable decision based on advice from 4 CMOs who do have all the information, balancing harms and benefits. Benefits just outweigh risks generally according to CMO.

Presumably he is Gillick competent... and can weigh up his personal benefits based on circumstances.

Both mine opted to agree to be vaccinated.

[DismantledKing]

@Aishah231

So you gave your son information and got him jabbed without your husband's consent but him giving your son alternative information is out of order!? It might be anti vacc propaganda but your information might also well be pro vacc propaganda.

Oh don’t be so fucking ridiculous.
For fuck’s sake.

[TrufflyPig]

It might be anti vacc propaganda but your information might also well be pro vacc propaganda

What pray tell is 'pro vaxx propaganda'?

[cheesegloriouscheeseyum]

@Aishah231

So you gave your son information and got him jabbed without your husband's consent but him giving your son alternative information is out of order!? It might be anti vacc propaganda but your information might also well be pro vacc propaganda.

It is terrifying these days the number of people who claim that "alternative facts" should hold as much weigh as actual scientifically researched based in reality facts.

[Aishah231]

So you gave your son information and got him jabbed without your husband's consent but him giving your son alternative information is out of order!? It might be anti vacc propaganda but your information might also well be pro vacc propaganda.

[frozendaisy]

@Lalaland44

Yes we're still together. A difference of opinion, however ill informed is no reason to leave someone. After a long day at work I really really can't find the enthusiasm and motivation to find information to counter all this utter twisted tripe he reads.

So let him know DS is jabbed no further difference of opinion needed.

[hepatocyte]

[quote beentoldcomputersaysno]twitter.com/karamballes/status/1443320735074856972?s=21[/quote]
That's impressive work they tracked down the fraudster so fast.

Unsurprising he's linked with the HART group.

[beentoldcomputersaysno]

twitter.com/karamballes/status/1443320735074856972?s=21

[DismantledKing]

Your husband is a thick conspiracy theorist twat.
He’ll only get worse as he becomes older.

[TheLovelinessOfDemons]

My DS 14 would have told him to fuck off. He's old enough to make his own decisions.

[hepatocyte]

@Brigittebidet

Just out of interest, what is factually incorrect on the sheet you've posted?

Literally every point is either incorrect or misleading.

In the original (this has been cropped) the fraudster used an incorrect NHS logo and linked to the CDC who have nothing to do with England's vaccination programme.

Has been widely reported as a hoax letter sent to schools, masquerading as an official consent form coming from the NHS.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schools-tricked-into-sending-antivaxer-covid-consent-form-to-parents-gghj6s059
twitter.com/Kit_Yates_Maths/status/1442571448112013319

[hepatocyte]

@Brigittebidet

Just out of interest, what is factually incorrect on the sheet you've posted?

Literally every point is either incorrect or misleading.

In the original (this has been cropped) the fraudster used an incorrect NHS logo and linked to the CDC who have nothing to do with England's vaccination programme.

Has been widely reported as a hoax letter sent to schools, masquerading as an official consent form coming from the NHS.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schools-tricked-into-sending-antivaxer-covid-consent-form-to-parents-gghj6s059
twitter.com/Kit_Yates_Maths/status/1442571448112013319

[TrufflyPig]

Just out of interest, what is factually incorrect on the sheet you've posted?

It's not referenced for a start so could be either fact or fiction. Lack of correct referencing is often a red flag for poor quality or misleading data.

[Brigittebidet]

Just out of interest, what is factually incorrect on the sheet you've posted?

[Squleamish]

Let's leave aside his and your vaccination status, and differences in your opinions of what you consider credible evidence. The issue is your DS's vaccination. As we know, opinions are hugely split over this, and the JCVI didn't recommend it. You consented to it behind your DH's back. In your DH's shoes, I would be beyond upset. This is a massive betrayal, IMHO.

[userperuser]

Maybe if the NHS but together genuine pro and con information for would be recipients this kind of thing wouldn’t happen.

Misinformation is not exclusive to those not in favour of the C19 vaccine, registered nurses vaccinating people have also done this when patients have asked genuine questions.

[hepatocyte]

@Bewildered2021

To make an informed decision your son needs to read both sides of the argument. If you were my wife I would be disgusted that you went behind my back and signed the form.

Pushing conspiracy theories and misinformation is not "reading both sides of the argument" @Bewildered2021

There's no excuse to share that fake consent form when it's been revealed as fraud, fact checked by experts who have explained there's no truth it it, and is currently being investigated.