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To think there isn’t a way of getting kids to listen to you without yelling your head off

192 replies

stressedoutandoverwhelmed · 19/05/2026 17:38

Fully expecting to be told I’m totally unreasonable here but I have not found one if one exists

I have read the books

the book you wish your parents had read
how to talk so little kids will listen

I am sure there is another I can’t remember

and none of the techniques work.

is this just life now? It’s depressing and miserable if so. I’m starting to think that that’s just parenting though.

OP posts:
Meadowfinch · 20/05/2026 04:07

Carrot and stick. Well not stick, literally, but clear consistent rules that you stick to.

Rewards for when they do something you ask, promptly and without complaint. Consequences when they repeatedly disobey something. I turn the router off for an hour or don't make the usual Friday night chocolate cake.

Inmyuggs · 20/05/2026 04:48

Stop yelling
Talk
Dont take the bait
Walk away when wound up and cone back to it later.
Pick your battles.
What age are the children?
I was told to go lie down if it gets to much..it seems to draw a calm and less stressful enviroment... children usually calm down as well.

KnitFastDieWarm · 20/05/2026 05:10

@stressedoutandoverwhelmed the more info you add, the more this strikes me as unusual behaviour from a five and a half year old. The lack of concern for consequences and impulsive physicality (climbing etc) makes me think ADHD. If that’s the case, no amount of shouting or calm reasoning will work because he isn’t going to be able to process this in the same way as a typical child. It’s not your fault and it’s not his either, if he does have ADHD - but that doesn’t mean you have to just live with it! I have ADHD myself and have worked with kids who do, and the more you describe him the more he reads like an almost stereotypical little boy with ADHD - impulsive, always climbing, ‘naughty’, not listening, not bothered by consequences, seeming not to learn from past experience etc. I’d be interested to know what he’s having a hard time at school with?

You’re not a bad parent - you’re human. What you’re describing isn’t standard behaviour for a five year old and it’s worth having him assessed, privately if doable, even if only to rule it out.

MarmaladeSandwich7 · 20/05/2026 05:32

There are some really effective parenting courses out there OP & no shame in attending one. As the saying goes, kids don’t come with a manual. Apart from anything else, you are meeting others going through similar shit & it really helps to offload.
The other thing I wanted to say is that perhaps your DS needs to fall off the table & hurt himself in order to finally realise it’s a bad idea to keep climbing up. I know that sounds awful but he may be an experiential learner.
Must admit, ADHD did occur to me too.

Shoola · 20/05/2026 07:22

Every time he is on that table ignore him and do something fun just out of reach or sight. Once he gets down to join in, stop doing the interesting thing and tell him he missed out because he was on the table. On days when he isn't on the table say things like 'come and look at this funny clip/ play this silly game/help mummy choose a pudding'. Make the table climbing a negative thing for him, not you.

rwalker · 20/05/2026 07:41

Ridiculous I grew up in a shouty household it’s just noise and escalates things
teaches your kids nothing and they think this is a perfectly good way to deal with things
shouting and aggression are one of the same
nothing to be proud of teaching your kids aggression is the way forward

SundayBangor · 20/05/2026 07:41

@stressedoutandoverwhelmed I wish I could give you a hug! Unless, you're not a huggy person, in which case an enormous hot chocolate or something.
I have been in a similar situation to you.
It might be strange advice but I actually think it might help to reflect on Selfishman's post of yesterday 19:39
"I don't know if I'm just lucky but I've honestly never had to shout at my children! Yes, they annoy me at times but if I ask them to do something then they listen."
Think about it, there are children out there who from the outset just kinda do what they're told. (Can you imagine? Me neither 🫠). I think you've taught classes of kids? So you know there's a spread of degree of pliability. Some of us have families at the tail end of the bell curve - and parents who've never been there aren't going to get it.
Also, I found some of the suggestions in How To Talk So Kids Will Listen really rhetorically underhanded. Shouting isn't great, but it's also not manipulative or dishonest.
I hope you find some relief soon, all the best.

BertieBotts · 20/05/2026 08:56

Your son sounds harder work than most children, this is from a parent of at least 2 with ADHD.

My youngest is 4.9. High energy, stubborn as a mule, but if you take him for a run he gets tired out, he actually responds to things like time out and if I can catch him in a calmer mood after some misbehaviour happens and explain to him why I was cross, he looks genuinely guilt stricken and spontaneously apologises. Then we tend to see less of the same behaviour (he gets caught up in the frenzy of his older brother).

Neither of my elder two would do that - first of all, they wouldn't have a "calmer mood" after misbehaving. They were either in whirlwind mode, rabbiting on 19 to the dozen about whatever random thought had entered their brain or they were arguing about something or investigating something they shouldn't. The times that they would sit still were few and far between unless it involved a screen, or something they were incredibly deeply interested in, and even then not always.

You could not catch them to talk about their behaviour, because by the time you had finished the sentence their brain had moved on and they will have done 3 more forbidden things. "Six impossible things before breakfast" seems to be their motto in fact. They will have completely forgotten the first thing so there is no chance to get them to learn anything from the behaviour. It is really, really hard to keep up with a child like this. There are ways to do it without shouting but they all require a lot of front-loading. You have to be several steps ahead of them at all times. In the moment, something like shouting is often the only thing which has a hope in hell of working, but if you're relying on shouting constantly then essentially a klaxon ought to be going off because this is a warning sign that something isn't right.

Shouting did kind of work, and was the only thing that really worked a lot of the time. However it does also fuel what they call in psychology a coercive cycle. This is because the child knows they can escalate their behaviour and you will end up shouting or possibly even lashing out and then you feel guilty and stop asking them to do whatever it is - so they escape the demand. But on your side, sometimes it does work where nothing else does, so you feel like you have to shout because it's the only effective option. This actually reinforces the reaction on both sides. The second level of this is that because it's reinforcing the challenging behaviour you end up entering a state which they call blocked care. That means that you start to see your child's behaviour not as a normal aspect of childhood or even a sign they are struggling, but you see it as a personal attack on you and start to feel that they hate you or they are malicious in intent. It's extremely draining because it basically takes all the good parts away from being a parent as well as being a generally terrifying thought to have. It's highly unlikely to be true, but that doesn't stop it from being scary. You can get back from here, but you need the right support/advice. Keep reaching out and explaining how you are struggling. It's not your fault.

I am not saying your son has ADHD, because nobody could diagnose from a MN post, but if you relate more to the description of my two older DC than the younger one, then you might find advice aimed at parents of ADHD children to be helpful, because at the very least, your child's behaviour is extremely intense, and so 90% of the standard advice is going to be completely useless to deal with it. And NO, the advice is not "breathe a sigh of relief because you don't have to do anything now you have an excuse". Actually unfortunately, if you have a child with challenging behaviour you have to work twice as hard for half the results. But you'll be working 10x as hard for about 1% of the results if you are randomly choosing parenting approaches based on what works for other people, without tailoring it to the profile your child actually has. And TBH, there is no harm in following ADHD specific techniques for a child without ADHD. They are not indulgent or unusual techniques, they're mostly just standard parenting but applied in a much more consistent and proactive way than the vast majority of people have to stick to. The vast majority of parents can wing it most of the time with a little bit of pre-planning. If you have a child with very intense behaviour, you can't. And you'll be trying to not-wing-it on the dregs of the energy which are left over, which sometimes feels impossible, but it is worth it for how much conflict it reduces day to day.

You didn't say what the problems are at school but whether these are social/emotional, behavioural, or academic difficulties it is all a piece of the puzzle. Don't wait for the school to tell you what they think the problem is, as they are usually not supposed to be that direct, they are not doctors. But also because IME when you are at breaking point, you get a lot of side eye where people think it's parenting which is the issue, because the parenting looks very chaotic, whereas actually the fact you're out of resources with parenting is more likely to be a symptom not the cause. Be honest in how you are struggling because other techniques don't work, not because you haven't tried them.

Do you have a local Family Hub? I do not live in the UK any more, but my old local area has one of these and they are always advertising that they offer advice and drop ins and they are set up for general parenting advice but also topics like challenging behaviour or school difficulties. If not here, then GP, perhaps a different one (making an appointment about your child, not yourself) or HV, since they are still responsible for your younger child, or SENCo at school. Even if a parenting course seems pointless it can be a box to tick to say "I have tried this and it does not work".

Do you have a partner? You do not mention one, but you sound burnt out and you mention a lot of times that you are a better parent to one child, so divide and conquer if at all possible is a really excellent emergency technique. Screen time may also work for this, if it doesn't tend to exacerbate things (sometimes it does). Again emergency measures. If it is possible (and does not exacerbate) to extend time at school/nursery for either child, this also might be worth looking into.

Essentially if you want to break the patterns, it is going to result in some short term disruption for things like the hypothetical scenario where you spend so long dealing with DC1's behaviour that DC2 doesn't get dinner or to go to bed on time, unless you can have another adult available to take over. However I promise you this disruption genuinely is short term, you might be able to prepare for it (e.g. getting some instant/microwaveable food stocked up for short notice use) and if you can manage to get ahead of DC1's behaviour then staying ahead of it is not really more difficult than the current state of constantly running to try and catch up.

Honestly I still shout and I can't imagine a world where I would be so perfect that I never did. It seems to be a go to stress response for me. But it's much much less frequent, it doesn't even happen every week, let alone multiple times a day. DS1 I had no idea what I was doing and I feel very sad about what that did to our relationship, although things have improved. DS2 came along 10 years later and I have more tools etc to handle things with him. DS3 is fascinating just to show me how different all children are.

DS1 did get easier at age 6-7 ish despite me getting it all wrong, so there is hope. And if you can find the right thing then it might get easier early on. If nothing else, at least warmer days are coming and perhaps you can bundle them outside to a park? I found sometimes that was easier somehow. You will get there. It's OK to have times where you do not like parenting very much. I think everyone has their stressful period, whether it's newborns, toddlers, teens, or whatever this mess is (because I found the age 3-6 to be especially difficult with all my DC).

Elsvieta · 20/05/2026 12:27

Tel them once only, at normal volume, that if they don't do as they're told the first time they won't be getting pudding / going to their friend's party / getting their favourite toy back / watching TV / whatever, and then stick to it no matter what. They've learnt that they can ignore you; they need to learn that they can't. It won't happen overnight. Standing firm is the key.

Is it possible to arrange things so you have a half-door (like a stable door) onto their play area? Sometimes just being able to contain them for a while really helps.

Do they obey your DH?

OriginalPedant · 20/05/2026 13:28

I had a cross and shouty mum and a lovely dad who never raised his voice in his life. I had nothing but respect for my calm and measured dad and a LOT of resentment for my mum.

I was determined to not be a shouty parent as I know first hand how awful it is. Like never smacking, it was just one of our rules to not shout. I can’t even say it was difficult.

Losttreasure · 20/05/2026 13:39

OriginalPedant · 20/05/2026 13:28

I had a cross and shouty mum and a lovely dad who never raised his voice in his life. I had nothing but respect for my calm and measured dad and a LOT of resentment for my mum.

I was determined to not be a shouty parent as I know first hand how awful it is. Like never smacking, it was just one of our rules to not shout. I can’t even say it was difficult.

Agree with this. As adults we can make the decision not to shout all the time at our children. It is very hard, children are hard work.

Velumental · 20/05/2026 15:49

stressedoutandoverwhelmed · 19/05/2026 21:14

I have already said I am pretty resigned to the fact they will hate me and I am numb to this. They don’t like me much and the feeling is often mutual. Love is probably there but buried. So that’s where we’re at. If I could change it I would. Please don’t tell me I can. I can’t.

You need professional help to change. Don't just accept this. That's the only way to change things. You're the adult. You CAN change! You should, for them.

Okiedokie123 · 20/05/2026 20:10

What do you want from this thread @stressedoutandoverwhelmed ? Just a chance to complain about your kids and feel sorry for yourself?
Lots of people have given you some great advice and you’ve said “but I can’t…” “ it won’t work” to them all from what I’ve seen of your comments. Nothing will change if you don’t want to even try.

My first was really challenging. autistic, physically and verbally abusive, endlessly pushing boundaries, manipulative, poor mental health. He was very difficult for many years. All his life really but I set boundaries, poured love into him, met his needs without compromising my own too much etc. He is now 25 still a challenge at times but mostly a very thoughtful respectful hard working young man. I’m proud to call him my son. The effort I put in has paid out.

Okiedokie123 · 20/05/2026 20:21

You absolutely CAN change @stressedoutandoverwhelmed if you make a start on the idea. Tiptoe little steps fiorward. I don’t believe you aren’t capable of it. Believe in yourself! I suggest approaching a local support group for. help eg via Surestart (is that still a thing?). Or your GP. You can do it.

What you are currently doing isn’t working so there must be a better way.
eg Child is drawing on the wall. Child carries on. You shout. He carries on. You shout empty threats. He carries on. And repeat.
Kids will carry on carrying on! Often if they will do it because even negative attention is better than none at all. Etc.
Please don’t allow yourself and your kids to continue in such a miserable existence.

cadburyegg · 20/05/2026 20:50

Placemarking to come back to later

My kids are 11 and 8 and really hard work atm. Have to repeat myself 50 times. Unreal amount of backchat. The consequences I give don’t seem to work. I’m exhausted and overwhelmed.

spm20 · 21/05/2026 12:15

I can relate, I have a toddler and a 4 month old baby and my toddler never listens to me and I constantly end up shouting. My mother always shouted at me and I hated it and now I’m turning into her but I can’t help it. I’m also dreading my lovely sweet baby turning into a toddler and then having to go through the same thing again.
We do what we have to do to survive these tough times. I recently went on antidepressants as I was dreading being around my toddler and I have to say it has helped, I still shout but less and get less overwhelmed by it all.

Swiftie1878 · 21/05/2026 12:39

stressedoutandoverwhelmed · 19/05/2026 17:51

Anything I implement they ignore

Sorry to say this, but it’s probably that you are using techniques then implementing them incorrectly. There are so many important factors, most notably ‘tone’ of voice. Rather than read, watch some videos of the techniques in practice.

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