To think work are being ridiculous

[Dolphin8765]

For work the main lanyard we are issued is a purple wire thin lanyard (photo attached). Myself and some other colleagues don’t like thin lanyards like that. The only other lanyard we are issued is wider like a normal lanyard, it’s a pride lanyard with the company logo on. We’ve asked work if we can buy and use our own lanyard and we were told. Aibu to think work are being a bit strict and ridiculous? What difference does it make if we use our own lanyard?

[Forester1]

@TheHoover

It’s like the scamdemic / plandemic all over again. Everyone is in on this subversive insidious political plot to push across the entire eradication of women’s rights. Entire executive teams, senior management, HR departments brainwashed. The whole NHS and public sector. They are all in on it. Thank god for mumsnet where the truth be told.

My organisation now does its best to avoid the use of the word woman. It makes it harder to protect / improve womens rights if you don’t use that word.

[RosaBonheur]

Women's rights are just collateral.

Anyway, I'm glad more and more people are starting to see this crap for what it is, even if you're not one of them.

[TheHoover]

It’s like the scamdemic / plandemic all over again. Everyone is in on this subversive insidious political plot to push across the entire eradication of women’s rights. Entire executive teams, senior management, HR departments brainwashed. The whole NHS and public sector. They are all in on it. Thank god for mumsnet where the truth be told.

[RosaBonheur]

@TheHoover

Well you’ve missed the point (although you have come a long way since deciding that the LGBT community is no longer marginalised).

the point was whether or not there was political intent behind the organisation’s use of the rainbow flag. Well there’s a good way to find out - you can always ask the organisations themselves. But if you did I suspect you wouldn’t believe what they told you.

There's no such thing as the LGBT community.

LGB means people who are same sex attracted. T means people with gender identities. These two things are separate, and often in conflict.

Obviously I fully support LGB rights. But the rainbow flag isn't for about them anymore.

As for asking employers if there is political intent behind the rainbow washing of everything... seriously, come on!

[TheHoover]

Well you’ve missed the point (although you have come a long way since deciding that the LGBT community is no longer marginalised).

the point was whether or not there was political intent behind the organisation’s use of the rainbow flag. Well there’s a good way to find out - you can always ask the organisations themselves. But if you did I suspect you wouldn’t believe what they told you.

[ilovesooty]

I see that the OP hasn't returned to her derailed thread.

Unsurprising really.

[RosaBonheur]

@TheHoover

How about they are doing it because homophobia and transphobia is live and kicking. Despite all the gay people you know being well off (or whatever you said upthread).

Nurses, traffic wardens, social workers, housing workers, teachers etc are regularly being spat at, being sworn at and called vile names. Care workers are unable to give personal care and are being told to fuck off and get a straight person to come. Every single day.

This disgusting shit happens EVERY SINGLE DAY. So wearing a badge is to get everyone to realise that this hasn’t gone away, by no means but that the organisation will not stand for it. It’s exactly the same as taking the knee.

The biggest threat to gay people at the moment is transgender ideology.

It's why lesbians are getting kicked out of Pride events and off lesbian dating apps for objecting to men identifying as lesbians. It's why young gay people are transitioning so they can live as "straight" members of the opposite sex. It's why the LGBT+ Consortium, a group of over 300 charities, does not welcome any organisation which believes gay and lesbian mean same sex attracted rather than same gender attracted, and why the LBG Alliance, the UK's only charity exclusively for same sex attracted people, is literally defending its right to exist in a court of law right now. It's why Allison Bailey, a black woman and a lesbian herself, took Garden Court Chambers to an employment tribunal for discrimination and joined Stonewall as a co-defendant for the role they played in it.

[RosaBonheur]

@TheHoover

So is racism and disablesism and plenty of other types of discrimination. There are many many causes in this country that deserve some solidarity and support, but strangely enough, no one is asked to wear a lanyard for them

There are other lanyards and many other pin badges, symbols, schemes etc. But no such globally recognised emblem as the rainbow. Do people actually think that these organisation’s ED&I strategies are single agenda?

And for god sake no-one is forcing the OP to wear the rainbow lanyard…..the suggestion that she is is about the weakest cause for outrage I’ve seen on here and that’s saying something (but it’s done the trick).

The rainbow doesn't cover any of those other forms of discrimination.

It doesn't even cover lesbians who say that lesbians can't have penises.

[rwalker]

This thread has got sidetracked completely
The issue about lanyards supporting causes and the danger it u don’t wear one that supports causes leaving yourself open to being accused of disagreeing with the supported cause

THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE OP HAS

she simply doesn’t like what they have given her and can’t please herself and buy one of her own choice


the fact the company has supported the rainbow is a different issue

[TheHoover]

So is racism and disablesism and plenty of other types of discrimination. There are many many causes in this country that deserve some solidarity and support, but strangely enough, no one is asked to wear a lanyard for them

There are other lanyards and many other pin badges, symbols, schemes etc. But no such globally recognised emblem as the rainbow. Do people actually think that these organisation’s ED&I strategies are single agenda?

And for god sake no-one is forcing the OP to wear the rainbow lanyard…..the suggestion that she is is about the weakest cause for outrage I’ve seen on here and that’s saying something (but it’s done the trick).

[SerafinasGoose]

@TheHoover

How about they are doing it because homophobia and transphobia is live and kicking. Despite all the gay people you know being well off (or whatever you said upthread).

Nurses, traffic wardens, social workers, housing workers, teachers etc are regularly being spat at, being sworn at and called vile names. Care workers are unable to give personal care and are being told to fuck off and get a straight person to come. Every single day.

This disgusting shit happens EVERY SINGLE DAY. So wearing a badge is to get everyone to realise that this hasn’t gone away, by no means but that the organisation will not stand for it. It’s exactly the same as taking the knee.

True enough that it hasn't gone away. Ironic and unfortunate though this is, however, there's a significant miasma of homophobia hanging around none other than Stonewall themselves. Even their original founder has distanced himself from his organization for precisely this reason.

[PinkSparklyPussyCat]

This disgusting shit happens EVERY SINGLE DAY. So wearing a badge is to get everyone to realise that this hasn’t gone away, by no means but that the organisation will not stand for it. It’s exactly the same as taking the knee.

So it's a token. If someone is forced to wear a political symbol then it weakens the message. If a person chooses to wear it it's up to them, it's clearly a cause they believe in, forcing everyone to wear it makes it meaningless.

[MelchiorsMistress]

How about they are doing it because homophobia and transphobia is live and kicking.

So is racism and disablesism and plenty of other types of discrimination. There are many many causes in this country that deserve some solidarity and support, but strangely enough, no one is asked to wear a lanyard for them.

[TheHoover]

How about they are doing it because homophobia and transphobia is live and kicking. Despite all the gay people you know being well off (or whatever you said upthread).

Nurses, traffic wardens, social workers, housing workers, teachers etc are regularly being spat at, being sworn at and called vile names. Care workers are unable to give personal care and are being told to fuck off and get a straight person to come. Every single day.

This disgusting shit happens EVERY SINGLE DAY. So wearing a badge is to get everyone to realise that this hasn’t gone away, by no means but that the organisation will not stand for it. It’s exactly the same as taking the knee.

[RosaBonheur]

@TheHoover

And if you think there is "no political intent" to everything being covered in rainbows, you really are astonishingly naive.
Do you think employers are promoting the rainbow flag for political purposes? Please articulate and provide your evidence for that reasoning (Nb I have significant evidence to the contrary)

I think some of them are promoting it because Stonewall have told them to do so and they want their inclusive employer badge or whatever, because it's easier than actually creating a working environment that is inclusive of everyone. (And Stonewall's intent is clearly political.)

And I think some of them are promoting it because they believe humans can change sex and all that crap, and will not be an inclusive or supportive employer of anyone who doesn't share those beliefs.

The trouble is, it's difficult to tell which it is until there's a row over single sex spaces or something like that.

Neither of those things are good though.

[Pedrotok]

I'd just buy a thicker purple one, I doubt they'd notice.

[TheHoover]

And if you think there is "no political intent" to everything being covered in rainbows, you really are astonishingly naive.
Do you think employers are promoting the rainbow flag for political purposes? Please articulate and provide your evidence for that reasoning (Nb I have significant evidence to the contrary)

[RosaBonheur]

@Rosula

What's the relevance of that? You are the one who brought up the possibility of a pro life lanyard. I chose that example because it is one I would find objectionable.

The more material point is that, if everyone is under pressure to support pro life organisations, it is simply not credible that I wouldn't have found out about it before taking a job there. So I wouldn't have taken the job in the first place.

It's relevant because it's now pretty difficult to find an employer that isn't Stonewalled to the hilt.

It's easy to find one not promoting a pro life agenda.

[justteanbiscuits]

My previous job we had to have specific ones with three break points, that broke apart easily, due to safety.

[RosaBonheur]

And if you think there is "no political intent" to everything being covered in rainbows, you really are astonishingly naive.

[RosaBonheur]

@TheHoover

So my point to you Rosabonheur is that you are only objecting because you disagree with the cause (I am not sure anyone would be kicking up a fuss if the the alternative was a mental health awareness lanyard or some other such cause).

You are also only seeing the political aspects to the rainbow flag. Employers who are promoting LGBT rights by using the rainbow flag are doing it in good faith, promoting inclusivity and equality in both employment and the provision of services to L, to G, to B and to T. You can interpret it all you like as willingly or blindingly supporting the insidious erosion of women’s rights or whatever but I can assure you that that there is no political intent to the promotion of the flag and a huge barrel of positive intent which - before the stonewall trans row - was widely accepted.

and also (as many posters passim have revealed) no-one is forcing her to wear it (the suggestion that it is is of course the entire point of this thread)

I don't know how you could possibly have read my posts and come to that conclusion.

I don't think employee lanyards should be promoting any cause. I think it's completely inappropriate. Your employees are not mascots to promote your political beliefs. They are there to work.

The only reason YOU and other posters think it's OK is because you agree with the cause. If your employer was giving you a choice between "Vote Tory" and purple, or "Scientology" and purple, and potentially drawing negative conclusions about you if you choose purple and not their favoured cause, I don't think you'd be so happy about the whole idea.

[LookItsMeAgain]

I personally hate having to wear a lanyard as I can feel the weight of anything heavier than a thin necklace around my neck and I hate it.
So, when my company introduced retractable badge reels, I took the lanyard off the retractable reel and just attach my staff card to the reel and the reel to a belt loop on my trousers.

Could you use a retractable badge reel instead of a lanyard @Dolphin8765 ?

There are some nice purple ones on Amazon (if you had to stay with a corporate colour)

[TheHoover]

So my point to you Rosabonheur is that you are only objecting because you disagree with the cause (I am not sure anyone would be kicking up a fuss if the the alternative was a mental health awareness lanyard or some other such cause).

You are also only seeing the political aspects to the rainbow flag. Employers who are promoting LGBT rights by using the rainbow flag are doing it in good faith, promoting inclusivity and equality in both employment and the provision of services to L, to G, to B and to T. You can interpret it all you like as willingly or blindingly supporting the insidious erosion of women’s rights or whatever but I can assure you that that there is no political intent to the promotion of the flag and a huge barrel of positive intent which - before the stonewall trans row - was widely accepted.

and also (as many posters passim have revealed) no-one is forcing her to wear it (the suggestion that it is is of course the entire point of this thread)

[AnnoyedFromSlough]

@RosaBonheur

To be quite honest with you, I wouldn't expect any law firm to be plastering everything in rainbows, because it has absolutely nothing to do with what they are paying their staff to do. And given how many of them are now doing this, it really isn't as simple as "go work somewhere else then".

What are you supposed to do? Comb through all their websites to see which ones are rainbow free, apply to all the ones which have job openinbs and then ask them where they stand on rainbows in your interview?

Of course not.

Same goes for loads of other major employers and sectors, like the civil service for example. Try being a civil servant who doesn't pretend to believe in all the gender crap and see what it does to your career.

It's everywhere. And that's why it's a problem.

Stonewall is no longer about gay people. It's run by a bunch of misogynistic bullies who want to erode women's rights. They should have absolutely zero influence over employers, and certainly shouldn't be the arbiters of whether somewhere is an inclusive place to work. If the HR department are shitting rainbows to suck up to Stonewall, it won't be an inclusive place to work for any woman who needs single sex facilities or indeed anyone else with an opposing view.

This whole post has nothing to do with my point.

My point is that people DO know if their employer promotes pride to the extent that they would offer a pride lanyard. Or the Tory party to the point that they would offer a vote Tory one.

And so it wouldn't come as a surprise, as you seem to be suggesting.

I said nothing about vetting employers (although surely most people research the places they have applied for prior to interview anyway?) or going to work elsewhere.

[Jules912]

At my work the lanyard colour is related to your role and which areas you're allowed in unescorted, so you're not allowed your own. Prior to this they did have metal ones but I (and others) asked for an alternative as I'm allergic to whatever metal it was (typically I suspect no one had thought of it as the dress code was stricter then so men, who had to wear shirts, just wore there's over their collar).