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People struggling with bills 'should get a new job

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Cosmos123 · 04/10/2022 22:06

According to Jake Berry the Conservative Party Chairman.

Nasty git
GET THEM OUT!

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MarshaMelrose · 05/10/2022 17:40

Eeksteek · 04/10/2022 23:30

Let them eat cake. Honestly, how are people so clueless?!

Cake is cheaper than bread at my supermarket.

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Cosmos123 · 05/10/2022 13:46

The poor have no voice.

The tory rich are tone deaf.

The media did not help when they aired programmes like benefit street.

Which encouraged people to vote the tories as they really believed the crap put out there.
These voters really did believe the poor were lazy and could get a job or do more hours bla bla.

Now these same voters may also be feeling the pinch.

If you can't see it then you will feel it.

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Ponoka7 · 05/10/2022 11:19

@CoastalWave most people can't live on 16 hours. Home Bargains only give 16 hour contracts and that's why they are always looking for staff. As soon as more hour jobs come up, people leave. My DD, two children and low rent needs 25 hours. It's a myth that 16 hours means that you get enough of a benefit top up to live on.

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millymae · 05/10/2022 11:10

What a prat the MP who came up with this is .....
Completely out of touch with reality for the vast majority.
Perhaps he'd care to donate the £3500 a month he receives from a Manchester based law firm in return for strategic corporate advice to help some of his constituents. He could well afford to bearing in mind in addition to this he also receives his MP's salary of £84,144 and £67,505 for being a cabinet minister.

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CoastalWave · 05/10/2022 11:07

SarahAndQuack · 04/10/2022 22:33

I'm really disturbed by the implication that people who aren't paid so much are being lazy by not getting another job - as if it's that easy. A lot of low-paid jobs are absolutely back-breaking, and they require skill and training. But to get a slightly higher-paid job is very hard, especially for people who don't have so many transferrable qualifications.

To be fair, the best income at the minute is to do a low paying job but only for 16 hours a week. Then get it topped up to £2k a month plus.

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Sloth66 · 05/10/2022 11:06

It’s always the same. Low paid workers just need to work harder, whilst well off are offered tax cuts.
lower paid workers don’t need wage increases because it’s a vocation, bankers need bonus cap removing to incentivize them with more money.

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ChakaKhanfan · 05/10/2022 11:02

Also quoted wrong person , sorry OP

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ChakaKhanfan · 05/10/2022 11:01

Cosmos123 · 05/10/2022 10:49

Do you think people on the minimum wage have not considered looking at all options to improve their lifestyle?

You don't need to a wealthy tory to tell you.

Just because you are poor does not mean you are Stupid.

Just because you are privileged does not mean you are intelligent or have empathy.

It’s the reduce the outgoings that gets me- do you not know some people have less than £20 to feed their family for a week. How do you suppose they reduce their outgoings?
people aren’t struggling because they are spending their money on holidays, they are struggling to stay alive. Why can Tory’s not see this at all?

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Cosmos123 · 05/10/2022 10:49

newsaint · 05/10/2022 09:49

So what is your solution?

If you are struggling with bills, it seems there is only two options - increase your income (new job), or reduce your outgoings.

I don't pretend either is necessarily easy, but I don't see how it makes someone "nasty" to point out the options.

Do you think people on the minimum wage have not considered looking at all options to improve their lifestyle?

You don't need to a wealthy tory to tell you.

Just because you are poor does not mean you are Stupid.

Just because you are privileged does not mean you are intelligent or have empathy.

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Mentalpiece · 05/10/2022 10:40

Great, I'll do his job then being as it's much better paid than mine shall I.
It's the same as telling people to get a second job. Well it would certainly help your bills because you'd never be at home to use any bloody energy!!
Just what is it with these people? Have they got heads stuffed with fresh air? Because the space between their ears seem to be lacking brains.

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Nospringchix · 05/10/2022 10:28

Nasty little tory git!
He would be sorry when he got old or became ill and there was nobody to look after him or indeed there was nobody to serve him his subsidised meals in the house of commons or clean his nasty tory toilet 😆 in his paid for second home!

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Cosmos123 · 05/10/2022 10:24

FreddyHG · 05/10/2022 07:23

Why not? If you can't afford to live the lifestyle you want then you need to increase your earnings. It's basic common sense about having personal responsibility and not expecting the government to hand everything to you on the plate.

A need for food and heat is not a 'lifestyle'.

These are basic needs. 12 years of this government has come to this.

Food banks
Heat banks.
I think your comment is tone deaf.

Have you not read what people have posted?

What struggles they are going through??

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ddl1 · 05/10/2022 10:02

FreddyHG · 05/10/2022 07:23

Why not? If you can't afford to live the lifestyle you want then you need to increase your earnings. It's basic common sense about having personal responsibility and not expecting the government to hand everything to you on the plate.

That's just not going to be possible for many people, but let's even suppose it is: when everyone has moved to better paying jobs, who is going to do the less well paid, but essential, jobs? Who is going to care for elderly, sick and disabled people (and there will be even more people in need of paid care, when family carers have all moved on to well-paid full-time jobs that don't permit time to care for relatives)? Who will clean the hospitals? Who will collect the rubbish? Etc. etc. Of course, one could pay such people more- but I somehow don't think that's what Jake Berry is thinking of!

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KimberleyClark · 05/10/2022 10:01

Didn’t Norman Tebbit tell the conference that his father if he was out of work would “just get on his bike and look for it”. Tories never change.

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AuntSalli · 05/10/2022 09:59

plominoagain · 05/10/2022 09:52

This is the whole problem with these dickheads . They are so obsessed with looking after number one , that they have no idea how an entire society works , and how it needs people doing jobs of every level at a decent wage , to be properly functional.

So we all get better jobs . Well done us . Let's all become surgeons , for example .

None of us able to function because no one's cleaning the operating theatre. Bugger.

Quote from Margaret thatcher there’s no such thing as a society. They don’t believe in it.
obviously if their house burns down or if they mugged at that point they believe in society because they like the assistance of somebody bigger and stronger than them to help, but other than that

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midgetastic · 05/10/2022 09:54

They see that you chose a lower paid job you chose to have children so it's all your free choices so why are you complaining ?

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plominoagain · 05/10/2022 09:52

This is the whole problem with these dickheads . They are so obsessed with looking after number one , that they have no idea how an entire society works , and how it needs people doing jobs of every level at a decent wage , to be properly functional.

So we all get better jobs . Well done us . Let's all become surgeons , for example .

None of us able to function because no one's cleaning the operating theatre. Bugger.

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newsaint · 05/10/2022 09:49

Cosmos123 · 04/10/2022 22:06

According to Jake Berry the Conservative Party Chairman.

Nasty git
GET THEM OUT!

So what is your solution?

If you are struggling with bills, it seems there is only two options - increase your income (new job), or reduce your outgoings.

I don't pretend either is necessarily easy, but I don't see how it makes someone "nasty" to point out the options.

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Discovereads · 05/10/2022 09:47

UnderCoverFieldAgent · 05/10/2022 08:57

What’s so ridiculous about that? Some people are on minimum wage jobs and there may be an opportunity for them to get better paid jobs. Some people may be working part time when there is an opportunity for them to work full time. Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right.

It’s more is assumption that 1) these opportunities exist for everyone and 2) that refusing said opportunities for no reason is why people are struggling to make ends meet. When logically, if these opportunities existed and people had no reason not to take advantage of them, then they wouldn’t be struggling would they? He’s assuming everyone struggling is struggling by choice.

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Rabbitbabbit · 05/10/2022 09:44

Crikeyalmighty · 05/10/2022 09:42

A middling level recruitment consultant will earn more than a nurse. I would rather the nurse stayed in her job thanks (and I've done both in the past) - what a very stupid and ignorant man

But that would involve the government raising public sector wages in line with inflation of the past decade. The most valuable jobs in society are largely fairly lowly paid (I know people will say I can only dream of earning x, y or z but they are ridiculously low for the level of education, responsibility and the actual work itself). It's sad.

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Crikeyalmighty · 05/10/2022 09:42

A middling level recruitment consultant will earn more than a nurse. I would rather the nurse stayed in her job thanks (and I've done both in the past) - what a very stupid and ignorant man

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AuntSalli · 05/10/2022 09:42

I hate to say I told you so but I did tell them so back in 2020 they should’ve all gone on strike then.

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TicTac80 · 05/10/2022 09:39

What an unfeeling, out of touch, idiot!! As an NHS nurse, I work FT (more than that), and I can't work more hours/earn more as I'm also a single parent of two kids (one is primary school age, and I am lucky enough to have negotiated FT hours around wraparound care - this is bloody rare in my line of work!). I'm lucky as I'm a Band 6, but I have to watch the pennies (XH doesn't pay a penny, and doesn't help).

What about all the workers on a lower wage than me? How do they expect them to take time out of work to retrain and find "better paying jobs"? I was lucky to have the chance to get a good education and qualifications behind me, many don't have that privilege (or ability, or their health/life circs don't allow it). None of them are looking for handouts, they simply need a decent living wage, in line with inflation, that would enable them to be able to afford the basics!! It doesn't matter what job they do, we should be thankful that there are people doing these jobs, and earning an honest wage.

This idiot is talking about people whose jobs are ones that EVERYONE relies on (even him). If they all suddenly buggered off and got these magic, higher paying jobs (btw, where are these jobs? As if it was that easy to just get a better paying job), then the country would be on its knees.

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Changemaname1 · 05/10/2022 09:27

Turtle93 · 04/10/2022 22:31

So we all get new jobs that pay more, then what happens? Who does all these jobs that don't pay as well?

This ! Honestly , there are few things that people come out with that make me want to tear my hair out but this is one of them

the old poor paying job will still be there for someone else to fill and be poorly paid

That’s assuming there is even a higher paying job to go to

it literally makes zero sense and the people that say it shouldn’t be in a position of power if they are that stupid the don’t grasp this concept

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Discovereads · 05/10/2022 09:24

Walkacrossthesand · 05/10/2022 08:42

@Discovereads** , exactly - as Tiny Wedgwood Benn sardonically observed 50 years ago, 'if [tories] want the rich to work harder, they pay them more; to make the poor work harder, they pay them less.' Sadly, nothing has changed.

I knew I remembered that from somewhere. Half a century and still 100% true.

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